Rayvin

I very much think he'll tone it down. I can't see him rescinding any civil liberties to be honest, although I do see how his election opens the door for hateful actions. He's already removed a number of his campaign promises from his website, including the barring Muslims from entering the country bit.

It'll get worse before it gets better IMO Plus, even if I'm wrong about the whole Neoliberalism shit and this is just an entirely racist and misogynistic event like the fantasists are saying, in 4 years time Trump will have done such a horrifying job that the US will probably be about ready to elect its first black lesbian President, let alone the first woman.

Ken was always a highlight. He only posted here when drunk as far as I could tell...

Aye but they're doing better in school though so it only makes sense that they'd be paid more. Does rather prove they aren't discriminated against in this sense of course.

That's the article the quote comes from. Was written back in April but certainly rings true.

He could be the voice of the disaffected posters. He could make the forum great again!

I don't think the vast majority of voters know what Neoliberalism is. Monbiot explains what we've just seen as follows. I happen to agree with this in the absence of a superior explanation: Perhaps the most dangerous impact of neoliberalism is not the economic crises it has caused, but the political crisis. As the domain of the state is reduced, our ability to change the course of our lives through voting also contracts. Instead, neoliberal theory asserts, people can exercise choice through spending. But some have more to spend than others: in the great consumer or shareholder democracy, votes are not equally distributed. The result is a disempowerment of the poor and middle. As parties of the right and former left adopt similar neoliberal policies, disempowerment turns to disenfranchisement. Large numbers of people have been shed from politics. Chris Hedges remarks that “fascist movements build their base not from the politically active but the politically inactive, the ‘losers’ who feel, often correctly, they have no voice or role to play in the political establishment”. When political debate no longer speaks to us, people become responsive instead to slogans, symbols and sensation. To the admirers of Trump, for example, facts and arguments appear irrelevant.

We know

Dunno like, it's been a while since I lost a bet involving the eating of someone's arse.

FFS Parky, say what you mean. I'm open to being wrong?

Yep, looking likely. Unless this serves as a warning to the centre left in France. I'm sure they must be taking this seriously now, Brexit and Trump should be all the signal any other liberal Western democracy needs.

I think you're rather missing the point here. Trump isn't the answer, he's a symptom. We don't have an answer. Also, is Naomi Klein the ex-marketing manager, or am I?

What do you mean? You think they're credible? I've seen them distort reality on a number of issues, I find their narratives uncomfortable...

Brilliant piece from mysel--- I mean Naomi Klein. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/rise-of-the-davos-class-sealed-americas-fate

The Young Turks... not the most credible source for anything, but ok.

Good post HF, interesting read.

I was playing video games. It's how I do all my thinking.

Good point...not sure actually, will have to reflect on it.

Really good speech from Obama as well.

Fair points - and absolutely on the last bit. It's certainly looking that way. Grim, really...

https://vine.co/v/eE7JJIejOX0 Sums it up, really.

She's doing so at 9.30am EST according to the Guardian...?

Fair point then - seems highly unlikely that the Founding Fathers would have had it in place for any nefarious reason. I'd imagine it's explained somewhere - maybe it's to do with keeping the needs of less populated states in line with others.

I suspect you'll find that it broadly agrees with you, but that you're using different terms and have a slightly nuanced spin on it Which is what we've established here.