Rayvin

Dont we need Shelvey for most of that though? Do we know what's happening with him yet?

Did you go suburbs, inner city trendy, or out in the sticks?

Yeah maybe it overcompensates on that stuff. Economically I've not even got a house, so it's not like I can say there's that much going for me. But when you spread the factors over several criteria like that I suppose these are the results you get. I don't really go to museums either these days. And I certainly never went to private school - my parents could barely afford to send me to university.

Ouch.

I don't think I've ever been in a single place for more than 5 years throughout childhood and adulthood... maybe if you find the right place it makes sense. I'm perhaps just reluctant to set down roots anywhere.

Me too. You and I weren't born into it though we dragged ourselves up. Although 1 and 3 from that list are true for me. If Durham / Leeds counts as elite unis then maybe 2 as well Leeds isn't, not sure about Durham these days.

This is the best one I've seen for measuring your social class: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22000973

I'm buying a house too tbf ... and I think Andrew is younger than me. Never come across a 'forever home' though... never been one of those people who would want to stay in one place forever, maybe that's why. Seems alien to me.

Brexit complicated the whole matter. Prior to it, I genuinely hoped that Corbyn could pick up the anti-establishment vote - unfortunately it's been captured by the right. The only thing in our favour is that the Tories don't fully appreciate that they've pulled the pin on a hand grenade, and it could still all go quite a way south for them.

Even Parky was hedging his bets towards the end.

Trump was given a 15% chance of winning. Those polls were very, very wrong.

Can you expand on that? I'm interested in what else you think comes into play.

Corbyn won't be carrying the working class though. He needs more time to mend the damage done to that group by New Labour. If indeed he's capable of it at all.

I think it's a longer game than the election. People will stick with the Tories because they consider them to be the only competent party left - all it's going to take is for Brexit to end up in farce or the slightly more medium term collapse of the standards of living in this country for a similar phenomenon to what just happened in the US to happen here. I genuinely think Brexit relieved some of the pressure on the establishment over here, we might well have averted something worse. All it does is buy time though, and the Tories are unlikely to use that to make the system work better for people. I just hope Labour are ready when the time to be the 'anti-establishment' party comes, and haven't reverted to form.

The thread was a bloodbath tbf. It was glorious...

Well played.

That's how I see it too Parky. So for all us talking about fine margins and so on, if that single conversation had never happened, I don't think it'd be anywhere near as close.

As an additional thought to all of this. If the whole pussy grabbing thing had never come to light - or never happened - how badly would Hillary have lost? They were about neck and neck at that point weren't they?

I was just pointing out that logically, if Fox News claim something, and you claim the same thing, and I don't, of the two of us, you're the one who is closest to their position. If this is all the information we have to go on, logically, you'd be the better candidate to work for them. You would need both Fox and myself to be wrong about the same thing for the assertion that I should work for them to hold up. The fact that I was just plainly wrong is beside the point I'm in a ridiculously pedantic mood today, apparently

Some will - this isn't about the left or right any more, really.

Oh I must have missed that. He was re-elected? Or is that interim nonsense still going on? The rest of that comment is interesting You and Fox News both agree that he's the leader of UKIP, I disagree (wrongly, apparently) and yet I'm the one who should work there...?

He is, by all accounts. We really need the left to buck its ideas up, or it's going to be plain sailing for him though.

Fox News think he's leader of the opposition? He isn't even leader of his own party... dear me.

Duly noted.