Rayvin

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As a useful additional point, it's possible that people like Breivik are in fact radicalised by stances like those of the Guardian's - which can be very intolerant if you don't fit into the correct gender or racial identity. Breivik's mother was a moderate feminist who prevented him from seeing his father - no doubt he struggled against mainstream liberal views for some considerable amount of time, seeing a number of hypocritical stances and so on. Given that his attack was on progressives and not Muslims, I think that there likely is something in this.

Hang on though, I only included it because it seems to explain an element of right wing terrorism, and I thought it might broaden the debate away from just Islam - not because I necessarily believe that people are being radicalised. I loathe those aspects (that you cite) of the Guardian as much as the next person and am on record stating this all over the US election thread. That doesn't mean they don't sometimes raise some interesting points though, and it is important to engage with these in order to develop a fuller understanding of our own worldviews, surely? But fair enough if you don't think they're being radicalised. Breivik clearly was (self radicalised I would wager) but he does in effect pre-date the more conventional Alt-Right. He was a full blown political terrorist whose views are entirely in line with the current Alt-Right though. He wasn't declared insane and had a manifesto explaining his motives (which I have attempted to read but it's about 150 pages long and not easy bedtime reading). I just found it interesting.

I reckon we'd sell Gayle irrespective of Rafa for that kind of money tbf. But yeah, I take the point.

Indeed, it's nice to see that kind of thing.

I think this is an interesting new slant on the terrorism issue: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/15/alt-right-manosphere-mainstream-politics-breitbart The radicalisation of young, white men. We've had some examples of this over time (Breivik, Rodgers, now Mair (granted he wasn't young), etc). There's no religious factor there, so why are these guys doing what they're doing? Breivik makes clear he was acting in defence of Europe against a Muslim invasion - which sounds like the kind of thing an Islamic terrorist would say, just turned on its head.

Surely the promotion itself is far more profitable though? I mean, I get that your scenario is just hypothetical and the amounts could be different, but even so... So it's the fans being shortchanged, ultimately.

That kind of thing should be made fully illegal if it hasn't been already. Vested interests. Surely the club could sue under those scenarios.

Not like us to whore ourselves out for advertising...

No, it's literally just score updates. And yeah, it's through their news app.

That's fucking weird...

The Guardian does this fwiw. I get score updates to my phone as notifications. There's about a 5 min delay normally though - and weirdly, they don't show the final score, just the goals.

Indeed.

Rotherham fans seem to think it was a training ground bust up.

I put in the 'assuming we can get past Hull' bit for good measure Agree on Liverpool.

So, are we expecting the following in the QFs, assuming we can get past Hull: NUFC Liverpool Man Utd Arsenal Of the three of those, I'd want Man Utd. Although Mourinho might actually go for it as he may have a point to prove.

A Somali refugee... not a great time for someone of that background to do something like this. More fuel for the anti-immigration fires.

If all ten of them turned out to be Pulis it wouldn't overly surprise me.

I was parodying someone else Although maybe The Fish is just a more verbose Trump, who knows?

He move a lot off screen, draws players away and so on. You can't see it, but it's there. Trust me.

I thought Ant had decreed that we were ceasing the abusive thread titles Their hoodoo has worn off, no?

2-1 for me. This will be a good test IMO, in terms of viewing how well placed we'll be for next year. Not that I expect Hull to be there next year, but still.