Rayvin

Is it just me or are the fan inferiority complexes in the Championship even more pronounced than in the PL? I mean, I periodically forget that Sherwood Forest are even a team so I can see where it comes from, but still, it's eye opening.

Well, I meant listen in the sense of absorbing information - I'm literally just reading the posts on here and getting wound up about how indignant everyone sounds

Yeah that's fucked Shelvey for 3 months pretty much. Fucking crazy, that. This is so infuriating to listen to that I might just sign off and carry out a grim scoreline check later on.

You're kidding? I'm just following your posts on this today, is the ref seriously being that crooked?

I'll join you both

It's the normal time score HF counts mate. "Like the bookies" I think his phrasing was.

Did you ever have any concept of this kind of thing back in your days as a kid Noelie?

Aye I'm a bit pissed they've knocked £15 quid off in about 6 weeks actually I guess this is how they get you. It's a decent game tbf, and I think I've sunk about 20 hours into it so far. I reckon I'll get to maybe 40 or 50 before I move on to something else, and for me that's worth the money. About £1 per hour spent.

It's now £37.99 on Amazon? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Electronic-Arts-1024110-Battlefield-PS4/dp/B01F5D1MJE

FFXV was under £40, I've no clue how Battlefield gets away with justifying that price tag.

I got it through Amazon but it was still about £52...

Presumably that opens the path for Hamilton to become the greatest of all time, or whatever he's going for now.

Wow...why? Another James Hunt?

Yeah I don't think retrospective punishments are the way forward, although perhaps the clubs need to settle up with the victims if their decision making enabled the abuse. I think we just need to look at it in earnest and make sure that the correct reporting structures are now in place to tackle this sort of thing in future.

Hence my surprise about this article! This has restored my faith in the Guardian to a degree - credit where it's due.

Agreed. This is going to end up all over the place as far as clubs are concerned, it seems.

Yeah that's true actually. I kind of think the issue has to become a lot less taboo to talk about before society will be safer in general, rather than people 'hiding in plain sight' like you say, they can come forward and say that they have this predisposition, have no desire to act on it, and perhaps need some manner of support. If it's a genetic thing, that is. They'd be lynched in this country at the moment, if they did that. Possibly literally. But then maybe that will make the individuals who are on some manner of perverse power trip more dangerous.

Ah ok, sorry - I better understand what you're saying now. I do note that the Guardian on occasion put forward an opposing viewpoint, but as I say, I was very surprised to see this particular view. I've never seen them publish this one before. I guess I can see why you don't think this is a big deal, but for me this is on par with the Daily Mail writing an article suggesting that maybe immigrants aren't to blame after all.

I wonder if it's a case of not being certain about it for a lot of people though. There was a PE teacher at our school who was regularly talked about in this respect amongst the students - I was aware of the rumours but obviously had no actual reason to believe it was anything other than my classmates making stuff up. That said, if you're talking more about a group who have been abused and who aren't talking about it, then perhaps the idea that they've somehow 'done something bad' by letting this happen to them is prevalent.

So you're saying that the Guardian publishing the overwhelming number of opinion articles that it does on a particular theme, is something we should consider to be of no merit in terms of inferring the newspaper's worldview? Because occasionally they publish a single article by a Tory? Did you see how many anti-Trump articles they published after his election. It was 23. That day. 23 anti-Trump editorial pieces. And you don't think that's representative of a wider agenda? I'm not even disagreeing with that part of the agenda, but I think we have to acknowledge it! I think we're always going to disagree on this one mate. I can respect your view as a journalist but I think you have a slightly purist view of how these things operate. For instance, would you say that the Daily Mail doesn't use editorials to put across its agenda? It's all about competing narratives these days IMO.

I personally would have gone straight to my CEO with it given the possibility of it turning into a PR disaster, but I suppose it's possible it was passed up middle management until someone felt they were senior enough to deal with it. Not sure we'll ever know, can't imagine it was a well documented decision.

Harsh.

You still died less frequently than I did

I kind of hope that happens.

You could prep it now and just keep it in reserve?