Rayvin

Yep, this makes sense but then Labour don't have anyone else in that mould. Moreover, I remain somewhat bemused that you guys think jettisoning Corbyn is going to bring the good times back for Labour. All I see it doing is alienating their 600k strong membership, a large proportion of whom will abandon the party if it heads back to the centre, and having to start all over again. I don't think I'd vote for them in future if they leave the left once again. Although to be honest, it's sorely tempting to just resign myself to the fact that my votes will always be meaningless and that I shouldn't bother. EDIT - If Corbyn stood down of his own accord it might go differently.

I'm not saying immigration isn't an issue, I'm just saying it isn't the only issue. If we consider that austerity is one of the main driving forces behind our current woes, then I think it would be possible to create a narrative around that which many people would buy into. That said, as I've mentioned, the ship may well have sailed on this front as the immigration rhetoric has been entirely unchallenged in the same way that the austerity rhetoric was entirely unchallenged. Labour has been so crap at identifying and challenging these positions for so long now that it's hardly a surprise that it is where it is. I'm not saying that this initiative -will- work. I'm saying that 1) they have to try something and 2) populist narratives are not limited to immigrants - other options are possible.

Well, he either needs to do that or convincingly shift the narrative elsewhere. He isn't going to turn around on immigration so the plan must be to hijack the narrative. It's doable, it's just unlikely to work since UKIP have already made and entrenched over about a decade their case for anti-immigration populism.

True enough but it's worth a shot. I'd far rather we had populism of the left and really, the same things people get angry enough about to join the populist right could be co-opted by the left with the exception of immigration. But they could replace that with the rich probably.

I think it's a good idea, personally. Better than continuing with what they're doing, at least.

That transfer for that Alvarez guy pretty much sums them up. Paid £10m for a player who went to another team because Sunderland were attempting to weasel out of the deal. I never think they get enough stick for that, it was probably one of the least competent things I've seen in football.

Well, I'm hammered. Typical Thursday. Work Christmas party tomorrow followed by a visit to the in-laws. Not sure what state I'll be in but meh, its Christmas.

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She looks like the socially awkward kid at school.

I think it's just that they're newly promoted and the mackems consider them to have the shittest name and stature.

You've got time, and just think how much more impressive/how pissed ewerk will be if you manage it now

I know, but surely more of us read Murdoch's papers than read RT. Look, my point was Murdoch is consolidating his power to become the most powerful media force this country has ever seen

"Most groomed". Cheers Parky.

Brilliant.

Of course Russian media is. But we don't read Russian newspapers day to day. We do read Murdoch's.

The reason it works is because so much of our media (Murdoch) is biased and corrupt though.

I broadly agree with that. Fwiw I'm mostly just throwing it around because people expect me to. That said, Murdoch genuinely is the literal mainstream, and this move genuinely is a concern.

The entirely benign MSM and its overlord getting on with business as usual here: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/dec/15/rupert-murdoch-sky-bid-pay-tv

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