Rayvin

Islamist. Better than some of the alternatives.

Well that's not good... I really hope it was an Islamist, someone we can all rally around the condemnation of.

That one made sense to me mind, I love Akhbars too.

This is going to be politicised to high hell IMO: Fatih Öke, the press attache of Turkey’s embassy in Washington DC, wrote on Twitter: “The bullet to Ambassador Karlov is not only aims him. It aims also Turkish Russian relation. We are praying for his good health and peace.”

Here we go: Claims gunman shouted ‘Aleppo’ as he shot Andrei Karlov in an Ankara art gallery

Um, no, not this one. Turkey and Russia are supposedly enjoying good relations after the EU's alienation and Turkey's move towards being a police state, with or without the MSM. No clue what could have motivated this. Parky will probably be along to say it's a false flag though...

I'm not sure we'd survive this one, that rock band of the future may never come to be.

I flat out don't think I could have done it in my 20s, would have felt like retirement was too far off to be something that would ever happen to me. Now though, I think it's worth a look.

Yeah but a lot of what he's saying doesn't necessarily mean eating like a miser. You could eat in a controlled and healthy way while spending a lot less on it by outsourcing the responsibility (and control).

Oh for fucks sake, that's got Archduke Franz Ferdinand written all over it...

Wow. That might be me sold, actually.

I'll be living in a VR universe with hookers and blackjack in my retirement. Sounds ace.

That does sound challenging.

Yeah but I'm not Catholic now. I retained the guilt but lost the means of working through it I'm just fucked these days.

See, this is what I meant about learning from you guys I know you're right like, it's not my fault. But it's Christmas and I was raised Catholic - I have guilt.

That's a nice idea actually, despite the snark I'll consider it. He's a friend as well tbf.

I was tempted to switch with him but I've got a few things planned already and really, strikes aren't my fault. Still though, if he doesn't get back I'll feel bad about it. I consider my resilience on this issue (that I haven't put my concerns to one side and switched with him) to be something I learned on here. How to be a cold hearted bastard. Learned on TT.

He's just got citizenship. And I did actually apologise because I'm taking the two days before that off work - he's not able to be off at the same time as me which means he can't move his flights. So yeah, felt I should apologise

He's as bad as they are tbf. One of those 'call my parents every day' kind of Greeks.

I have a colleague who is trying to fly back to Greece on Saturday to get home for Christmas but is likely to be at least delayed because of the Swissport strikes. His view is that he understands why it is happening, why they've chosen those days, but feels it is unfortunate that it affects him. That's a pretty solid response given that he might not see his ridiculously family-centric family for Christmas as a result. If he can look at it maturely and judge that people need to do this sometimes to protect their rights, then frankly the PM can fuck off. That said - Swissport look like they've offered the financials that were asked for, so I'm not even certain what the issue is anymore...

Isn't the claim more that all of the information they get is filtered through government bodies/backed institutions? I blame the media for narratives like those espoused by the Ctrl-Left, but not so much on this kind of thing. I do struggle to see where their information is coming from though, given that such a large amount of counter information seems to be out there. As I say, the suggestion appears to be that all of a sudden the Russian propaganda team have become absolute world beaters. You'd think that if they had done that, we'd have upped the ante against Russia to extreme proportions.

In which case, while I don't think we should be selling anything to Saudi at all, it's hard to blame anyone. Although given Saudi's previous, it seems nigh on guaranteed that they'd end up hitting civilians with them.

So we signed up to a provision to prohibit and prevent the use of cluster bombs and then sold them to Saudi anyway. Great. That doesn't look hypocritical at all.

To go back to my original post, my point wasn't 'Assad is misunderstood'. My point was that clearly mistrust of the media is now rampant and is touching far more people than just me and Parky. At what point does this become a failure of the media? Or do we just accept that Russia has played the propaganda blinder of all time? Have to admit to being curious to learn how the UK based SN4HR knows exactly who is killing who, although obviously the government forces will be doing the majority of it since they're the ones making inroads.