Rayvin

You don't think the left will be resurgent after this? I know you like to back the corporatists to control everything in the long run, but they've clearly not controlled Brexit - you said many times that they would somehow and yet, here we are, about to hard Brexit. Hillary lost to Trump ffs. They got owned in 2016 and I don't think by their own design. That means there are weaknesses. I don't think it's divorced from reality to expect that, if Trump is an utterly shit president, and cracks down on various freedoms, he'll be subject to an active left wing push back. The only thing I can see allowing him to escape this, is if his policies actually do create jobs. If they do, the left is in trouble.

There's plenty of things he's doing that we need to object to - the immigration policy (which I still can't believe has been implemented as it was) and his ludicrous attempts to silence discussion on climate change. Other than those two, as far as I can remember, he hasn't done anything particularly noteworthy. I think what we're seeing at the moment is as bad as it'll get. It's the Tory modus operandi - do all the bad stuff straight off the bat, and then people will think more kindly of you when you do better stuff towards the end of the period. This will be a fantastic opportunity in the long run, assuming we survive it. Trump is going to be so right wing, that millions of formerly stupid people will be prepared to vote left. And the left can go in, tear down his wall, open up the borders, enshrine something or other into the constitution so that 'this can never happen again' and hopefully, just maybe, they'll fix the fucking system. Trump might be the enemy we need to finally kill the establishment.

The immigration policy is certainly incredible but I'm struggling to feel much sympathy for the media. It's not like they've been shut down, they're reporting on him negatively every chance they get. With good reason I might add. When they're no longer able to do that, I'll worry about it. But can you honestly, in your wildest dreams, consider that Trump would get away with shutting down the free press? He has the lowest approval ratings of any president ever, no chance he'd get away with it. If the White House wants to peddle absolute fallacies they're going to get called out on it. Every time they do it. And not just by the media, by literally everyone. I really don't think this is the world ending scenario that many seem to think. They sensationalised Bannon's quote, IMO. If there's no need to sensationalise, why do it? The pulling of funding for international groups who support abortions was another one. Every republican president that has gone before him has done that. The democrats come in and put it in, the republicans take it out. And yet we're told that this is Trump attacking women as if its an unprecedented move. Why? To sensationalise.

What would McCarthy cost then? £20m? Is he worth £20m? Not sure it'd necessarily be an Ashley move to fail to pay £20m for a good but unspectacular midfielder. You may have a point on the Townsend front though.

He seems to be suggesting that the media isn't listening to what the administration is saying and is just printing anything they can to discredit it. He's 100% right about the Guardian on that front but I suppose if the media are 'the opposition party' which actually makes sense given how invisible the democrats are presently, that's what you'd expect them to do. Kind of the same with how the media opposed Corbyn in this country, with the Tories needing to do basically nothing. I don't think that's a threat to silence the media. I think that reading of it from the author is over the top. He specifically says 'the media need to shut their mouths and listen for a while'. The Guardian has run with 'the media need to shut their mouths'. His actual quote isn't as sensationalist. It does indicate that if we do go 'full fascist', the media is going to be one of the first things to go, however. That said, I'm extremely concerned by news that all government employees are being prevented from talking about climate change and are having to do so through rogue twitter accounts and so on. For me, it sounds like Trump is running America like a company. You would expect a company to issue an edict banning discussions with the press, or the revealing of certain facts. Threats to the media are one thing, actually trying to control the narrative and discourse through the omission of information should be vehemently resisted irrespective of whether the government or the media are doing it.

£16m?! Fucking hell.

Well if Israel's on board with it, it must be a good idea.

I have to say I'm rather stunned that this policy was just flung into practice with no preparation and apparently no consideration on how it will work. Obviously am also stunned that he's managed to get such a policy into place at all in fairness. We could be in for quite a ride.

Well this looks like it was one to miss. These things happen.

Holy fuck... if it's actually that successful it should be issued readily for people suffering that sort of condition.

what in fuck is that thing.

They are indeed. They'd be heading there without him too, IMO, but either way they're fucked. Who cares though, the Tories moved centrally so what difference does it make to NuLabs? They're nearer to the NuLab position than Corbyn is surely?

Trump won because Hillary was so terrible. He had a 60% disapproval rating on the day of the election and 17% of the people who voted for him thought he was unfit to be president. He was voted in because they didn't want an establishment, corporatist politician. This is also why the Democrat party is now undergoing a hostile takeover in the same way Labour did with Momentum. Eventually you guys in the centre are going to have to 1) conclude that the world has gone to shit and the truths you thought you knew don't apply, and 2) pick a side.

I mean to be fair, if our Brexit negotiations are anything to go by we'll be fucking shit too. Maybe he's doing us a solid.

That's the battlefield way, no?

Not really a concern for us is it? He's only disadvantaging himself, really.

I hope you're right tbf, it'd just be an appallingly shit example of management, if true.

I think Djilobodji was signed pre-Moyes, mind. Also, apparently they're in for someone on loan for LB. Basically agree but you're suggesting that they're either resigned to relegation or so financially destitute that £14m now looks more attractive than £100m in the summer, or whatever gets paid out for each PL season. Especially since, surely, they have to spend this £14m now. I'd be tempted to think they are resigned to it but then, if they were, they'd have sold Defoe for £15m.

Quite possibly is. Still not sure it's actually him that's rebelling here unless ewerk has a source that isn't showing up on Google yet. That said, if the PLP think they're going to sail back in and retake the party here they've another thing coming I suspect. Labour is going to be hobbled either way, with or without Corbyn.

The party whip is Nick Brown, isn't it? If so he'll be doing it for his constituency (of which I am part). EDIT - I imagine I'll be getting an email from him in due course to explain it... EDIT 2 - It's not him, it's two party whips. Not the chief whip. I was going to say it'd be a surprising turn of events as Brown has stuck with Corbyn solidly.

I dunno, you can actually get decent value still I'm sure. Especially if they target the usual cloggers who are all blood and passion - they might yet pull themselves out of it. Counting against them is the fact that they're generally awful in the transfer market - but maybe Moyes has some ideas. I just don't think they'll have countenanced this thinking that they'll be making it more likely that they go down. They must have an end game to this that, to Moyes at least, makes them look more likely to stay up.

Yeah but they have £14m to spend now. We'll see some panic buying ahead, I suspect.

That's amusing but at the same time Allardyce is a bit of a pillock here. PVA was never a great player.

Wtf are they moaning about? They're doing well - granted they lost to Southampton but shit happens. Generally one of the better performing Liverpool teams in living memory.