Rayvin

They proposed nationalising railways and heavy infrastructure spending. Both of which I consider to be left leaning concepts. That's just off the top of my head, there are likely to be others. Ultimately my concern is as an economic progressive more than a social or political one.

Sunderland would pay him that and they're crying out for strength in midfield. And desperate.

I think it moved leftwards, and that the PLP acknowledged this with their putting forward of Owen Smith.

I also still don't think I was wrong to vote for Corbyn. It was necessary and the fallout across the political spectrum in 2016 has made me content that I did the right thing.

Fwiw, I think it's important to be able to consider all angles I'm not going to just blindly stick to my view if things change or additional details come out. I'm interested in developing my understanding as fully as possible and I don't think changing a view as new facts come forward means I lack conviction As much as the internet would certainly have me believe otherwise.

Agreed.

Yeah, not gonna disagree with that. Look, he's not great; I think even I'd accept that at this point. I still feel he was necessary though, and that he has moved Labour in a direction it needed to go. If any of the others had won I suspect I'd be complaining about how out of touch and ineffective they are at present. Who knows though.

Can you at least see where he's trying to position himself though? To be fair to him, his resistance to being portrayed as 'wanting to stay in the EU' appears to be because he knew how toxic that would look to vast swathes of people. That said, if he wanted out he should have just come out and said it. That would have been the way to maximize his credibility with the working class.

Ah, banned for speaking the truth. Sounds about right.

Possibly but will he want to go from where he is to the championship?

Sorry, I'm used to commenting on the guardian where caveats like that are fundamental.

Yeah but we won't be the only ones thinking that. Every club from 12th down in the PL will be after him too.

He did spend a lot less tbf to him Not that the man child point doesn't stand.

Happy birthday mate Great OP ewerk

FFS, is everyone on here except me an accountant of some sort? Is the world not oversubscribed with accountants?

Not sure about that one... he's ok but do we need him and could we get better next year?

Definitely not for a 5 year old IMO. I can see why your mate said that having seen it now. Go see it yourself first, at least.

Until we leave the EU, then we're all sorted on the issue of violating the rights of our citizenry.

Also and unrelated - Vader is Alt-Jedi: http://newsthump.com/2016/12/20/im-not-sith-im-alt-jedi-clarifies-darth-vader/

That actually sounds very probable.

The Guardian has done a promotional article on Newcastle and some of our local arts/restaurants/drinking/music scenes. I noticed Cal's Own was in there https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2016/dec/21/alternative-city-guide-newcastle-food-drink-bars-clubs-culture

For what?

Rogue One was, mercifully, a good film. Felt much more like 'Starwars' than TFA did. I now have some hope for the franchise again. Would probably give it 8.5/10

If Shelvey's claim was that the exchange never took place, then he wouldn't be able to bring that accusation. We probably would have had to raise it at the time anyway.

I absolutely do blame Cameron for this tbf. For the referendum, for austerity, for all of it. He is the personification of side of the establishment that brought us here.