Rayvin
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Yeah it's a totally pointless battleground actually. No one is seriously suggesting that he be removed from power off the back of the popular vote, so why even bother with it. I've heard some people suggest that all the crazy shit he does like this is just to distract from the damaging things but I don't think he's smart enough for that.
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Possible. Or maybe it could be used to win compromises on other things at the very least. Like the reintroduction of torture. The thing is though, I don't trust Republicans all that much. I think they could see this as a lasting vote winner as the Democrats will have to campaign each election on the promise of tearing it down.
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My, that's encouraging. I think he could still be resisted but it would require the left to develop some real intelligence about the matter. The last game in town (in my view) is to attack income inequality and look at economic factors. If Trump goes ahead and corners that one, I um... yeah we probably are fucked.
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I pulled that figure out of thin air tbf, but yes, you'd hope so. Would they deny him it though?
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But it's the narrative that matters. As ever. It's the narrative that will allow him to perpetuate further morally repugnant things. His narrative gains in credibility as he succeeds. I just feel like we're playing this wrong. We're staking everything on him being a total fuck up and this wall thing considered as an economic factor is a worry. As is the Dow Jones reaching record levels. What if he isn't a fuck up?
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This is more encouraging. But even so, that's a lot of investment in the US as well as Mexico, and he'll likely still suggest that it's beneficial. What if the project ends up employing thousands of Americans? Does the incoming president destroy all those jobs? It's potentially a tough one unless we elect a left wing populist. Which we won't do. He is unlikely to get a second term though, agreed there. Not even sure he'll live long enough for one given his age.
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I do get what you're alluding to - what I'm saying is that our current response to it runs the risk of voiding our credibility. By 'our' I mean civilised, left wing society.
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Yes but the point is that we seem to be laughing at him for how stupid he is, and yet this fucking wall actually looks like it could be built and lauded as a success. At which point, presumably Trump will be laughing at us.
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I was thinking about this last night - say it costs $50bn to build the stupid thing. That could be argued to be a Keynesian economic stimulus couldn't it? So we'd have a right wing leader propagating right wing views and getting the desired outcome of an economic boost, job creation and a performing economy. Which will only serve to further legitimise his position.
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I'll have to look that up.
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What justification has he given for those two to remain viable?
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Shareholders and the establishment. Don't worry though, the trickle down will save the rest of us. #NuLabour. There is, to be fair, something to be said for his plan to reduce corp. tax and build this stupid pipeline. The former might well encourage investment in the US and will therefore provide jobs. The latter will also provide jobs albeit at the cost of a further contribution to the environmental devastation of our planet.
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American stock exchange at an all time high apparently :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38742516 He is going to have some positive effects, it seems.
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He's also pulled funding from international organisations that support offering information about abortions. Which apparently had the impact of decreasing abortions. So we can expect them to rise again in certain places. It's like the Republican wet dream so far.
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:lol: That's actually superb.
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Although tbf, I still can't get my head around the idea that no one has banned him from Twitter yet...
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Yep. We're taking small petty victories over the need to play an active part in the real battle.
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You don't think the guys who were subjected to that beating wouldn't have taken it out on others, further down the line, in pursuit of their political goals or damaged egos? Maybe they didn't, maybe they were cowed for good. There's a time and a place for violence I would say, but only when the political structures for legitimately challenging power have been destroyed or made irrelevant. We're not there yet. I worry that actions such as this take us a step closer to it, though. Especially since this isn't an isolated incident.
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He's an advocate for it but stands utterly no chance of ever realising it. The bigger problem is that he's (apparently, having now done some reading) a prominent figure in a movement of fuckwits who I would imagine are very capable of looking at this and thinking that it might be 'open season' for such actions. Resorting to and revelling in physical violence surrenders the moral highground and really, just makes us look weak. Like we don't believe in our ideas. In my view at least. Not disagreeing with anything else you've said. The man is a cunt. Am concerned that he's the 'acceptable' figurehead of far worse people though. EDIT - The Observer makes the same case: http://observer.com/2017/01/richard-spencer-alt-right-punched-on-tv/
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You're totally right in the first part, I am. What other alternatives are there, though? He could have just been mentally unstable I guess? As for the second part, see my last post.
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I'll call them regressives from now on then.
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I'm not sure it is. One of the key successes of civilised society is the ability to discuss and debate issues using words and not fists. We can reject extremist views based on their own merits or lack thereof. Throwing punches just leads to a like for like escalation. What if that punch motivates some right wing nutjob to attack someone else? Is it still worth it then? Moreover, resorting to physical violence just demonstrates that you lack the mental fortitude to actually tackle the arguments being put forward. The alarming thing about much of this is how so many on the 'left' have absolutely no counter argument to the absolute bullshit being spewed by the Trumpists and the Brexiters. Because the only real counter argument that would work, in my honest opinion, would see they themselves lose out. i.e. they would have to talk about economic progress, not fucking political and social progress.
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If the 'left' can be portrayed as violent, burning things in the street, vandalising property, and assaulting people (all of which happened in these marches) - you know exactly how that'll come across, don't you? It'll be a one size fits all blanket statement about violent protesters. Greater controls will be implemented, harsher punishments, etc. I dunno who that guy is, but he didn't deserve to be punched in the head for having different views. If we're legitimising the left doing it, we have to be prepared for the right to give their blessing to counter actions. And FWIW, they're the ones with fucking guns. It does at least reveal SJWs for the hypocrites they are, though. Suppression of free speech by physical violence, that would be. How fucking depressing to see. The left needs rid of these people and fucking quickly.
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It sounds like Allardyce wants the cash up front to spend on other players. Hence the loan to buy option not working for him.
