Rayvin
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All the right has done, both here and in the US, is looked at how miserable people are and given them something to hang onto. The nebulous idea that things can get better if we start looking after our own - and the reason that stuck is because the centre (branded as the left by those on the right) totally and utterly abandoned the people at the bottom. And the actual left was steamrollered by people in the centre who consider it 'unelectable'.
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Yeah but this guy himself isn't the issue. It's the people out there who digest what they've just seen in that video who are the issue. They're the ones who vote based on what they consider fair and reasoned. And if the left is throwing punches, they're not likely to give our arguments the time of day, are they? The right has been successful by co-opting identity politics. The left used it to get into power, and now the right have done the same thing. It's ridiculous and divisive, and the left shares in the blame for cultivating it as if it was something that would be 'healthy' for society.
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But as HF has just demonstrated, he can likely raise that money. And it would actually represent a large number of jobs being created. 40,000 or so I just read. Not sure if that's a lot in the overall scheme of things but it looks significant. And that's not taking into account the money working its way through the system and benefiting local economies and so on.
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That's another good point. Fuck, who'd have thought it. We're going to lose properly. To think that we could have achieved the same things without racist walls and tax breaks for millionaires if they'd gone for Sanders instead of Clinton.
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So much for the mackem mass voting attempt.
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Yeah it's a totally pointless battleground actually. No one is seriously suggesting that he be removed from power off the back of the popular vote, so why even bother with it. I've heard some people suggest that all the crazy shit he does like this is just to distract from the damaging things but I don't think he's smart enough for that.
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Possible. Or maybe it could be used to win compromises on other things at the very least. Like the reintroduction of torture. The thing is though, I don't trust Republicans all that much. I think they could see this as a lasting vote winner as the Democrats will have to campaign each election on the promise of tearing it down.
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My, that's encouraging. I think he could still be resisted but it would require the left to develop some real intelligence about the matter. The last game in town (in my view) is to attack income inequality and look at economic factors. If Trump goes ahead and corners that one, I um... yeah we probably are fucked.
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I pulled that figure out of thin air tbf, but yes, you'd hope so. Would they deny him it though?
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But it's the narrative that matters. As ever. It's the narrative that will allow him to perpetuate further morally repugnant things. His narrative gains in credibility as he succeeds. I just feel like we're playing this wrong. We're staking everything on him being a total fuck up and this wall thing considered as an economic factor is a worry. As is the Dow Jones reaching record levels. What if he isn't a fuck up?
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This is more encouraging. But even so, that's a lot of investment in the US as well as Mexico, and he'll likely still suggest that it's beneficial. What if the project ends up employing thousands of Americans? Does the incoming president destroy all those jobs? It's potentially a tough one unless we elect a left wing populist. Which we won't do. He is unlikely to get a second term though, agreed there. Not even sure he'll live long enough for one given his age.
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I do get what you're alluding to - what I'm saying is that our current response to it runs the risk of voiding our credibility. By 'our' I mean civilised, left wing society.
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Yes but the point is that we seem to be laughing at him for how stupid he is, and yet this fucking wall actually looks like it could be built and lauded as a success. At which point, presumably Trump will be laughing at us.
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I was thinking about this last night - say it costs $50bn to build the stupid thing. That could be argued to be a Keynesian economic stimulus couldn't it? So we'd have a right wing leader propagating right wing views and getting the desired outcome of an economic boost, job creation and a performing economy. Which will only serve to further legitimise his position.
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I'll have to look that up.
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What justification has he given for those two to remain viable?
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Shareholders and the establishment. Don't worry though, the trickle down will save the rest of us. #NuLabour. There is, to be fair, something to be said for his plan to reduce corp. tax and build this stupid pipeline. The former might well encourage investment in the US and will therefore provide jobs. The latter will also provide jobs albeit at the cost of a further contribution to the environmental devastation of our planet.
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American stock exchange at an all time high apparently :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38742516 He is going to have some positive effects, it seems.
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He's also pulled funding from international organisations that support offering information about abortions. Which apparently had the impact of decreasing abortions. So we can expect them to rise again in certain places. It's like the Republican wet dream so far.
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:lol: That's actually superb.
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Although tbf, I still can't get my head around the idea that no one has banned him from Twitter yet...
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Yep. We're taking small petty victories over the need to play an active part in the real battle.
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You don't think the guys who were subjected to that beating wouldn't have taken it out on others, further down the line, in pursuit of their political goals or damaged egos? Maybe they didn't, maybe they were cowed for good. There's a time and a place for violence I would say, but only when the political structures for legitimately challenging power have been destroyed or made irrelevant. We're not there yet. I worry that actions such as this take us a step closer to it, though. Especially since this isn't an isolated incident.
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He's an advocate for it but stands utterly no chance of ever realising it. The bigger problem is that he's (apparently, having now done some reading) a prominent figure in a movement of fuckwits who I would imagine are very capable of looking at this and thinking that it might be 'open season' for such actions. Resorting to and revelling in physical violence surrenders the moral highground and really, just makes us look weak. Like we don't believe in our ideas. In my view at least. Not disagreeing with anything else you've said. The man is a cunt. Am concerned that he's the 'acceptable' figurehead of far worse people though. EDIT - The Observer makes the same case: http://observer.com/2017/01/richard-spencer-alt-right-punched-on-tv/
