Rayvin

The rest of the survey notes: • A large majority of British Muslims feel a strong sense of belonging to their local area (91%). This is higher than the national average (76%) • A large majority of British Muslims feel a strong sense of belonging to Britain (86%). This is higher than the national average (83%) • A large majority of British Muslims feel that they are able to practice their religion freely in Britain (94%) • British Muslims are more likely than the rest of the population to feel that they can influence decisions affecting Britain (33% vs 21%) • British Muslims are more likely than the rest of the population to feel that their local MP reflects their views (44% vs 41%) • 88% of British Muslims think that Britain is a good place for Muslims to live • 78% of British Muslims would like to integrate into British life on most things apart from Islamic schooling and some laws

At the same time though, I think there was a channel 4 study that said a third of Muslims wouldn't turn in someone they suspected to be planning a terrorist incident. Not saying that's true, but it was a poll of Muslims. EDIT - Sorry, it's a third -would- turn them in (and it's concerning Syria rather than terrorism). Not sure what the others would do, but there's probably not enough information to make a sensible judgement: http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/c4-survey-and-documentary-reveals-what-british-muslims-really-think

Nice move from them. Should help to detoxify and he issue a bit.

No great surprise. UKIP falling apart at the seams.

That was a great avatar. Are you sure he wasn't trying to hit on you though...?

They have those??

Taken straight from a spurs forum

Aye really good but I find it depressing also

How extremely surprising.

:lol: That's a brilliant fuck up.

You know me

They're entirely correct on that front.

Has he actually done anything of note this year? I was under the impression that he's been barely visible even when he has played.

I don't think they consider us assets. Maybe you could argue somewhere between the two.

Bizarre to think we're turning our backs on people who genuinely seem to consider us 'friends' as opposed to the Americans who probably consider us 'assets'

Leazes running the US

All known associates maybe? It is strange though - unless he was already on their radar I guess.

It was. It wasn't a big debating point though, I was just musing.

This isn't something I was going to make a massive point over, but it does seem that the harder you curtail freedoms, the less probable stuff like this is. Presumably it follows that you reach a point where things like this can't happen, even if it's just a nutter in a car. Presumably we consider that we have the balance about right, which I guess is encouraging? We do have a good record on preventing this stuff.

You could take away the ideology, the access to dissenting opinions, you could persecute people and curtail individual freedoms. There is no way to prevent it while staying true to Western values though.

Genuinely not much. Sounds like MI5 have to make a call on which 'possible' terrorists are most likely to go for it, and you can't expect them to always get it right. I imagine there's a point at which cracking down on civil liberties would reduce this sort of thing to a point where it's not possible, but we'd probably be talking about some incredibly extreme situation.

There is surely no chance we'll get Rooney. Doesn't fit Ashley's model for starters, and that's before all the financials.

What an absolute cunt that guy is. Couldn't show any less remorse if he tried.

What the fuck is she on about. How are people cowed and disunited? Looked to me like all the MPs went back to work this morning, along with the police. If anything shit like this superficially brings people together. Even I have to accept that the Tory who tried to save that police officer now has the rare honour of being a Conservative MP who I have some respect for. He joins Ken Clarke to take the total number to 2.

Whatever is in the interests of the greater good is ok by me. Although I understand torture yields little information of any positive value. Well, old school torture anyway - maybe they're better at it these days.