Rayvin

I see CT has paid us another visit. Parky, out of interest, whose side are you on in this?

If May loses this, there'll be no living with Parky.

At least they'd be fighting for them with UKIP, a party who you would think has to go all out. Maybe they can poison the well against the Tories a bit...

It'd have to be Labour but can you imagine it though? It'd be as if Brexit has become such an all consuming force that literally no one in poor communities thinks that the Tories have any culpability whatsoever. Dark fucking times.

Apparently Crosby has already said the Tories will lose the seats they won from the Lib Dems. So again, where are the extra seats coming from - cos they're now down to a minority. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/04/exclusive-conservative-poll-showed-party-would-lose-seats-liberal-democrats

I hope you're right - and I can see it you know, that this could be a misstep. But everything we've seen in politics in the past year or so suggests that every time the chance comes up, Turkeys vote for Christmas.

:lol: Just a coincidence that this exact formulation has you top.

But from who? Who are they taking these seats from? If this is a single issue election, as it will inevitably become, who wakes up in a Labour or Lib Dem seat and says 'you know what, I'm going to vote for May'. At least that's how it should go. In reality, people are fucking stupid so you're probably right.

Saving the country is no incentive? If it came down to a choice between keeping us in the EU in some form (which is what they've been campaigning on) and 'avoiding being tarnished by Corbyn' I think I know which way they'd go. Since they'd be betraying their voters otherwise.

The Lib Dems lost 27 seats to the Tories last time. Surely those 27 seats are coming right back.

At the same time, May isn't exactly a formidable thinker. Two things I was just mulling over: 1 - The Lib Dems were kicked to fuck in the last election. I would imagine all will be forgiven now. Who did they primarily lose seats to? Surely the people who voted away from them last time will go back to them this time. 2 - The working class won't abandon Labour for the Tories. So where do the Tories pick up their majority from? I could see UKIP picking up seats, but the Tories?

UKIP's statement makes it sound like they didn't want this.

It's not a perfect tactical play though, there is risk to May. If they make it a single issue election (as it seems to be) she's counting presumably on being able to carry a majority without worrying about the other parties. But if they all pool their ideas and contest this almost as one, she'd have a problem on her hands.

I think that's the lesson to be learned here frankly. KCG is in the top three with a voting record of 1-0 every game this season.

Corbyn wants immigration, surely he'd be more in favour of soft?

We're absolutely going to be relying on the Lib Dems here.

I think Labour's position is going to have to be making a case for working people from a position of staying in the single market. Since they're such strong proponents of immigration, this should be possible. Now, they'll lose the working class on this for certain, but with luck, most of them will go to UKIP in seats that Labour win anyway.

Aaron Banks himself is going to stand to be an MP...

He does need to pick that up though, as Labour will be an absolute irrelevance otherwise. How can they pick votes up if they're talking past people? Would a remainer vote for Labour if Corbyn's view is that he's happy to just head in the direction we're going, but has a bone to pick on many other issues? I doubt it. Even I wouldn't vote Labour on that basis.

Worryingly, Corbyn's statement doesn't mention Brexit whatsoever. EDIT - As Andrew says.

Labour have backed it, so it's happening.

I clearly missed this sort of superstitious upbringing. Probably stamped down by Catholicism.

I wonder if there'll be a single negative article about Corbyn in the Guardian until June 9th now

I think this remains likely - she must think she can get a bigger majority here. Do we need Labour to clean up though? What if Labour seats go to the Lib Dems? Surely that's just as good from our point of view. We don't need Labour to win outright, we just need them to lose to the right parties. Assuming we can bring together some manner of consensus once it's all over.