Rayvin

Judging by that comment, you're not going to go Tory either. What do you mean he went full Tory anyway? As in agreed with them on everything?

It's interesting to hear him talking about China. Will he have a career to go back to after this? He's 28 or something isn't he? So out at 34 unless he gets an early release, but even then he'd be the wrong side of 30. I think he's finished, personally.

... That's not cunning, it's fucking stupid. Based on that article, he would have made about 30c profit per share. For 15,000 shares, that's about EUR5k. Was that worth it? What a monumental pillock.

I'll definitely give it a look.

That'll be another feather in Le Pen's bow...

Suppose so. And hey, I was just putting over what their argument would be. I mean, if you asked them I'm fairly sure you'd get the 'where does it end' line.

They claim to have costed it out. But also claim to do so by borrowing 500bn. The economics of that is sound (and less than the Tories have borrowed in 7 years which is 700bn) but not a vote winning headline for a populace not well versed in economics. No idea what their Brexit position is, and if even I don't know, it's not a good sign.

I've harped on about that last point endlessly. It was an independent article. I think the Tories finished 4th.

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/how-many-of-jeremy-corbyns-policies-do.html "How many of Corbyn's policies do you disagree with"

Also thanks for this. I can see it going this way too.

That sort of thing only seems to happen if you're on the right, unfortunately. Thanks for the answer though.

... FFS I guess I'll ban myself from the thread for the evening then.

I suspect the issue is a wider lack of political will rather than no one knowing what to do about it. It's not like it's an unsolvable equation, we just don't have a government with the stones to do what needs to be done. More long term vision needed. As an aside, CT, let's just accept that Corbyn will lose. What do you think happens after that? Assuming he stands down, which isn't actually a given. The people 'holding' Labour to ransom aren't going to depart the party. They aren't suddenly going to wake up and decide that the Blairite vision is the one true way. So the party stays over on the left, by most reasonable measures, I would think. Maybe a slight compromise position in an attempt at unity, but policies remain broadly the same. If the Blairites can't find a home there, they split out. Maybe join the Liberals, maybe forge something new, maybe die off altogether. Either way, the centre left vote is split three ways. None would be able to challenge the Tories. The SNP will take Scotland out of the union, and this further reduces any likely progressive or liberal action. I guess from here... then what? Who displaces the Tories (incidentally the coalition was a Tory government in policy so I'm treating it as such in name)? You'll argue that the left will wake up from it's delusions and will become pragmatic again but there's no real guarantee of that, and the numbers in the party of stacked against such a thing. I suspect we're condemned to years upon years of incompetent, ideology driven governing. EDIT - As an aside, to everyone else, I'm actually genuinely interested in the answer to this rather than getting sucked into more back and forth (which I really should avoid as I do enough of that anyway).

You're right, sorry.

Actually just to query a point, are you saying that a clear and professional vision is currently in place with respect of the NHS? Because it looks like an absolute shambles at the minute, but maybe that's just because I'm blinkered.

Well there will

You think so huh? You reckon Scotland will break away? I'm hoping it does. We have a one party state anyway, may as well seal the deal and just call this a 'democracy' in the same sense that China calls itself one. It's the end of history in the UK and wouldn't you know it, the super wealthy were right all along.

Ah yeah, I recognise Palin and Kid Rock now

I don't know who any of those people are save Trump.

Yeah I'm pretty sure he said something about wandering off into the sunset with Meenzer as a LD once Corbyn was on the scene.

I don't think so. It'd have to be Liberal wouldn't it? Which is still a suitable solution as long as it doesn't enable a Tory. Honestly I couldn't care less who between Corbyn and Farron 'wins' the election as long as one of them does. Obviously neither will, but even so.

There'll be some manner of procedural reason. Not saying it'll stand up to scrutiny but there'll be something.

I suppose it'd be pointless to have a secret forum that the whole userbase could post in though