Rayvin

If they go back to the centre they'll lose members hand over fist. Maybe they won't care about that I suppose, but I suspect the reality is that it'd hit their budgets (Especially since the army of members they have is keeping them on a level footing with the Tories). I intended to vote for Cooper the first time around before ultimately deciding that I preferred Corbyn's policy positions. She would be a good choice though. Problem is that if you accept that Labour have to go back to being full on Neolib, who else do they have left of any real merit?

At least that sounds like a positive outcome

That should be gold

What makes you so certain that's the case? Given everything we're seeing about that idea not being on the table at all.

I don't actually remember what Dummettgate was about now...

It's been voted through with only 13 voting against.

It's still good now.

He's just answered it in parliament He doesn't think it is.

A Tory MP has just asked Tim Farron if he thinks homosexuality is a sin. Knives well and truly out for the election here. I can't believe we let these immature fuckwits run the country.

Whenever you call someone out I remember you laying that trap in the aftermath of some fuck up or another and ensnaring Wykiki i think it was "Well you'd be wrong, fucko!" I think was how it went

... I'm tempted to say you're being entirely consistent with your usual approach on that basis I can see it being the former, but ultimately this could go horribly wrong for May in any number of ways. Were the right wingers in her party really that much of a threat?

I see, so you don't have a clue then

That makes me think it's Kevin Nolan but that was suggested on the previous page... Lovenkrands?

Have to say you've lost me there Parky, what exactly do you think is going to happen then?

Osborne is gone. Good riddance. EDIT - although he probably would be a moderate in the whole Brexit issue ffs.

To be fair, you're right. May calling this election now is actually giving hope where there was none, rather than taking something new away. That said, if/when they win, it'll be the start of a new Tory era. I wonder how easy it'll be to become Scottish when they leave. I hope they make it easy.

Um, I think there's plenty of reason to worry - although I've said a few times that I can see a positive outcome here if the centre left parties throw in together. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/19/coalition-collaboration-tactical-voting-stop-hard-brexit

Interesting. Rather grim outlook for Labour there I'd say, although entirely possible. All the more need for a union IMO, to stop the 15% swing seats from being vulnerable to non-Tory parties.

I suspect they'll have to go for Labour - they can't go for the Tories. I see them as the working class vote sucking wing of the Tories now. The only way that helps us is that it might split the Brexiters between Tory and UKIP in seats where we need Labour to win. The downside is that UKIP might pick up some seats - and that if they do, May might have to compromise with them to form a government. Which means effectively increasing the size of her 'loony fringe' within the Tory party.

If Huddersfield falter I think the crowd will be well up for it, but we're a nervy bunch when the pressure is on and if they win and we go in goalless at half time against Preston, it'll be tough going. Switching to euphoria if we score though Doubt Preston could come back if we score first.

Possibly true but as mentioned, the Liberals are poised to take about 25 seats straight back from the Tories after last time out. So May has to be counting on taking seats off Labour. If what you say is true, that'll be challenging. I can't quite see the north voting Tory in numbers that will throw core Labour seats out, but who knows these days. Labour will lose out to UKIP if anyone, but fortunately they look totally wrong footed by this. I think we can safely rely on the SNP to take literally every seat in Scotland. EDIT - also not a case of reversing Brexit. It's about making it non-suicidal.

You think so? This is a tough one, the downsides of leaving the EU are so much more real than the usual vague promises and soundbite shit that politicians in this country normally serve up. The Remain Tories won't vote Labour but they just fucking might vote Liberal. Labour have no path to power here so they can't be that worried about Corbyn getting in - they just need to dismantle May's majority, that's all it'll take for a better outcome to be realised. I genuinely think there's a win in here if the centre left can get the narrative right, but they need to unify for it to work.

It's like the DM itself is part of this discussion. Just missing the sidebar with voyeuristic shots of half naked women, really.

No it wasn't, but the Tories would have looked incredibly foolish if soft Brexit was what they delivered to us. Nothing would have changed except we'd have lost power and influence. Now, you and I are prepared to accept that because we know the alternative is worse, and that this was all crazy. But the Tories know that this would be a) something that even the stupid people would be able to see through and b ) that there would be no one they could blame but themselves, thus destroying their 'competent governing' image. So they're going hardline because the party is more important than the country. EDIT - There absolutely is a case to be made for soft Brexit IMO. The Tories can't make it, but everyone else can and should. And they should hold up the Tories as the model of government, party politics led incompetence, while they do it.