Rayvin

I like to think I'm open to logical conclusions to be honest. I don't see what it is that you do with the Tories being 'competent' but I've readily admitted in here on many occasions that Corbyn has been a disappointment in terms of how he has managed the party. The thing is, Labour are going to deliver Brexit if they're elected. So are the Tories. Neither has any real handle on what a 'good' deal looks like, as this will be set by the EU, but Labour are the only ones in a position to go back to people and say 'look, this is a shit deal, do you really want us to go through with it'. The Tories can't do that, which means they give us assurance of the worst possible deal. They absolutely have to see it through otherwise they'll look utterly fucking stupid. Their entire political life now hangs on this. There's actually a part of me that suspects they wouldn't mind overmuch if Labour did win (except that Corbyn is so 'radical' that they now have a Sophie's Choice style event ahead of them). But either way - you are in effect saying that you consider the situation to be this: (Tory EU deal - Tory policies) > (Labour Policies - Labour EU Deal) Are you really sure about that?

Corbyn hasn't been successfully devoured by the entire PLP, the media, or the Tories. He's stuck at it through it all, and has resolutely stood fast to his principles. I don't think the EU would be able to intimidate him whatsoever. The risk, if there is one, is that he commits the same error as May and fails to see the good deal in pursuit of the holy grail deal.

The thing is, it's entirely unknowable. Davis himself has said he has no idea what 'no deal' will look like, and that seems to be almost certainly what we'll get. There are too many variables to know. So you're basically putting your trust in nothing.

What about the Tory negotiating team inspires so much confidence CT? Davis looks a total lightweight.

You're fucking joking. Fucking hell, I can't stand her. She's such a pathetic leader.

The Daily Mail will go to the grave if need be, as long as it stops 'the leftists'.

Personally suspect we would have had that anyway; not sure what old New labour could have done to position itself around the centre based on what the Tories are doing. Will be interesting to see how this election goes though, in terms of seats won/lost.

Have to say, as much as this election is going to be a painful swing to the right, I don't regret voting for Corbyn based on what he's campaigning for. Labour definitely have the right policies, and without him we'd still be in some kind of vague Tory lite state.

Happy birthday!!

... He's gonna be a pundit isn't he. Fuck's sake...

The Guardian contending that the Lib Dem's commitment to the EU and a second referendum is now actively working against them, as more people are prepared to just get on with living than to revisit it. Seems that Corbyn may have had the right of this, unbelievably. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/17/lib-dem-defence-48-rubbish-politics-tim-farron-brexit-manifesto

Terry is a fascinating individual like. Barely played this season hasn't he? May as well have retired last year. Still, at least that's that. No more of him.

Communicating with Sauron?

his conclusion sums it up.

Was anything they released untrue?

Ok, so they'll step it down. Just let him go ffs, Wikipedia is an impartial force for truth, and I honest to fuck don't understand why some people, especially those in the supposedly independent media, have a problem with him or the organisation.

Good news, always thought that charge was utter bollocks and apparently that's now what Sweden has decided. What charge would the UK be able to arrest him on exactly?

Presently away for the weekend but will give this thread full attention when possible. I know you'll all be looking forward to that. 40th is very poor it has to be said, and like Gloom, i'd be interested to know the methodology.

Agreed.

Expected though, Scotland is a lost cause as far as Labour are concerned. The Scots have understandably had it with our shit now.

True, although that's just the scapegoat. The lib dems missed the memo on immigration it seems.

That's what Corbyn is saying but weaker.

Why are the Tories suggesting a free breakfast rather than a free lunch at school?