Rayvin

Why don't you use NO then? They have more members than we do, surely they'd be a suitable vehicle for discussing us?

A feast for magpies.

Aye the press are on the backfoot for sure. Just seen this from Chomsky - he name checks neoliberalism - #justsaying:

Agreed on this. Absolutely out of her depth, looks terrified. Do generally agree with a previous point you've made that there is simply a dearth of credible political leaders in Westminster at this point as well.

I don't quite understand why CT has done this either, but to be fair to him his issue with Labour was always that he didn't think the policies they had made financial sense. What I don't quite understand is what appears to be convincing him that they now do. The theories they're justifying it with are the same ones we've put forward on here in the past as far as I can tell.

Says the guy who spends more time on rtg than he does one here

I've had people tell me thinks like this in the past, and I suppose you never know. If true, it would suggest Gloom might have been right all along about the MSM not being some mouthpiece to establishment powers.

The press are being brutal over this. The Times, The Heil, The Torygraph, The Sun all coming out against the manifesto. Another thing I don't get here - why? No one employed by those papers actually writing the content will be in the top 5% of earners. I appreciate they're paid to write utter bollocks as directed from on high, but they're actively undermining their own interests. At least the people reading what they write can claim to have been misled.

At the end of the day, businesses would adapt because they'd have to. Same as they're having to with Brexit. Those that went under, in a free market system, would be replaced. He could implement it gradually anyway, organisations would have time to adjust.

Dunno like, I reckon our business could handle it and we're cut to the bone in terms of the number of people we have. Then again we cross train staff religiously to ensure that we're prepared for stuff like that, maybe other small businesses aren't as well organised.

Can see what you're saying but it'd need to be one hell of a swing.

I've been saying that for years. Agreed but it doesn't actually help us make it a reality I suppose. Maybe if Brexit hadn't happened this would have been the moment and event that caught the country's mood.

Startingly, Labour's manifesto appears to be getting people excited... Left wing populism finally on offer, it seems. This is what I hoped Corbyn would give us. Makes defeat no less inevitable, but the fact that these policies are even being floated causes an expansion of the discourse. The Tories will cling to their narrative about bankrupting the country, and Labour will stick to supporting the people. Exactly how it should be, for both sides. No more Labour pandering to the Tory line, at least for this election. A straight fight between the best interests of the people, and the propaganda that keeps them from it

For the avoidance of doubt, not even I think that policy makes sense

Absolue cast iron vote winner from the Lib Dems - a pledge to take in an extra 50k refugees: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/11/tim-farron-lib-dems-pledge-uk-take-50000-more-syrian-refugees Presumably Farron thinks that doing this will expose Labour (who surely can't turn around and agree to match this given the current political climate) and drive more lefties to his side. But ffs at £4.3bn it just sounds woefully out of touch.

I think Ant unbanned him but he wouldn't return without a formal apology and accompanying reparations.

The Tories are going to eviscerate them through the media and through horrifying TV appearances where May pretends she knows how to smile. People simply won't care how well costed the policies are, or how much they'll help. Labour winning at this point would have to go down as one of the most improbable election victories of all time. I get that you're trying to make this more interesting but seriously, the landscape at the moment is the political equivalent of the SPL with the Tories as Celtic.

At least some in there have come out and just admitted to feeling jealous of our situation. Which is undoubtedly how most of them feel. I wonder how they'll fare next year.

Have to say I don't see this as a fundamental necessity at this point. Reduce it maybe, but it was perfectly affordable to go to Uni under the old Labour government. They should assist people from less well off backgrounds and maybe even increase the bar for that, but making it entirely free just doesn't seem like a fundamental here. And I suspect they could actually win all the same votes just by making it more affordable, rather than eliminating it entirely.

The respect of your peers. Briefly.

So Ashley has said that Rafa will get every penny the club generates. How much have we generated? We could be talking very little here... I mean, whatever it is, it sounds like Rafa is happy with it. Which is encouraging.

This is how I see it too but people are simply not discerning enough to apply critical thinking about what they're told.

Will have a look in the morning but realistically it won't make any difference because we're now a one party state and Corbyn is unpopular. The fact that his policies are attractive and supportable whilst at the same time helping the majority of people, simply isn't important. Will have a look though, thanks for the heads up.

I enjoyed that joke more than I should have.