Rayvin

Not by any measure saying RTG are a representative basis of anything BUT they've been conducting polls in their politics sections as the election has developed. The third one is running now and is unviewable to me as I'm not a member of the forum @The Fish https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/which-party-do-you-intend-to-vote-for-on-june-8th-part-3.1367756/ But the guy running it posted the previous two outcomes: Part 1: 454 votes, 35.9% Labour, 32.2% Conservative, 18.1% Lib Dems Part 2: 378 votes, 53.2% Labour, 27.2% Conservative, 11.4 % Lib Dems Sunderland should be the sort of place May was counting on, and as such, this sort of trend would be encouraging. Doing such a poll on here would be beyond pointless

She did, but that was in another life apparently. Too long ago to worry about. Corbyn on the other hand supported the IRA about 30 years ago, and that remains hugely relevant today because reasons.

Genuinely think she's losing it... Because make no mistake, not everyone shares this view. They say we’re too small and too insignificant. That Britain can’t do it. That the British people are not up to the task. In short, they don’t believe in Britain. And if that’s where you start, you have no hope of getting the right deal for Britain in Europe. You can’t negotiate the right Brexit deal for Britain if you don’t believe in Britain. You can’t fight for Britain if you don’t have confidence in our strengths and in all that we have to offer. You can only deliver Brexit if you believe in Brexit. You can only fight for Britain if you believe in Britain. You can only deliver for Britain if you have the strength, the plan and the determination to see it through.

If Corbyn somehow won this, I'm struggling to think what the Tories would do or think about any of it In fact, I suspect they'd all leave the country for fear of being taxed too much, so maybe that'd be the end of the whole thing

May has now apparently decided the only way she's going to win this is by making it a second referendum. So she's hammering the Brexit thing to death now: For we are a great country. A country that is proud of its European heritage, but a country that has always looked beyond Europe to the wider world. And 12 months ago, the British people chose to do so again. They chose to build a more Global Britain. And let us be clear: they did so with their eyes open. They knew that it would not be straightforward. They knew the road ahead may be uncertain. But they believed that it would lead towards a brighter future for their children - and their grandchildren too. So with determination and characteristically British quiet resolve, they defied the establishment, ignored the threats and made their voice heard. I respect that decision and am clear about what needs to be done. It is time to act on their instruction. To deliver their will.

My vote is also meaningless in a safe Labour seat, except to help underline how safe it is. I'm hoping Momentum are targeting the fuck out of the marginals though, they'd be totally wasted where I am.

Osborne is fucking loving this

Why though? On the face of it, their basic premise should be a strong one. I can only think that Corbyn himself is holding them back by either offering more to people who believe in him, or terrifying those that don't. So no one is prepared to risk a vote away from their main party. This is why we need PR.

The Economist has come out in favour of the Lib Dems. Probably the only show left in town in the centre (assuming Brexit to be a hard right position and that the Tories are, therefore, further over that way). Sounds about right for their outlook. I remain disappointed with the Lib Dem campaign. They needed to achieve far more than they are in order to win back some seats from the Conservatives.

Would the SNP even want one? Support for independence has fallen below 50% and its actually starting to sound as though Sturgeon is annoying people now. Her approval ratings have gone through the floor. Not sure it's the time from the SNP's side either tbh.

Corbyn has just said that he's going to look into writing off some of the debt incurred by those who went to uni and suffered £9000/year fees because it is unfair that they should have been the only ones to suffer through them. The man is a saint But that said, he likely already has all of those voters.

First off, it's better than a no deal scenario, which is almost certainly where the Tories are headed. Secondly, I think the SNP and the Dems would get behind Corbyn's tariff free access suggestion. Whether it's in any way achievable is another issue entirely, but I suspect they'd all be united on it. What we might end up with is the need to go back to the country again with the outcome, which I think is right. A 'This is the best we can get, what do you want us to do' moment.

Realistically, no one watching that was going to be persuaded by anything said. The gambit was that May wouldn't show up and Corbyn would make her look weak. This was achieved, even the right wing press are forced to report on it.

The reporter actually had to clarify that it isn't a parody, and is indeed what was said.

Just read this transcript She's very clearly awful: The Herald: Two visits in six weeks to one of the country’s most marginal constituencies – is she getting worried? May: I’m very clear that this is a crucial election for this country. TH: Plymouth is feeling the effects of military cuts. Will she guarantee to protect the city from further pain? M: I’m very clear that Plymouth has a proud record of connection with the armed forces. TH: How will your Brexit plan make Plymouth better off? M: I think there is a better future ahead for Plymouth and for the whole of the UK. TH: Will you promise to sort out our transport links? M: I’m very clear that connectivity is hugely important for Plymouth and the south-west generally.

Not sure how big a deal Sturgeon's no show is really, this isn't about the SNP at the end of the day. We can trust them to vote alongside Labour even if they're not in coalition, so if we end up with a Tory minority government we can be certain of preventing the worst of it.

True but I think they started on 48 so they have lost support as this has gone along. I dunno, the best we can hope for is that Labour continue doing what they're doing. Cant really fault the campaign.

I've just read the Mail's article on the debate. Obviously it's horrific, but again, the top comments are all hammering the Tories and begrudgingly conceding that Corbyn might well be better for negotiating Brexit. And these comments are getting thousands of recommends. WTF have the Tories done man, this is almost too painful for me to take any joy from it. Almost.

True. Well kinda. I mostly post from my phone in spare minutes when I'm waiting for things. I have quite a few of those as it goes though!

I notice you can't see the list of members anymore. I used to enjoy looking through that to see who wasn't posting anymore and cos I'm generally nosey

What??? Is his job to literally defend everything Trump does without any independent thought?

Good news then, overall.

How many would he have in total?

Depends on whether or not the chance was to make May looks stupid by not turning up. If that was the whole plan (And I can't think what else he had to gain without her actually being there) then I think this has probably gone ok. I didn't see the thing though. Did it do him any harm?

Holy... Actually Andrew, I've changed my mind having seen that. It's horrific. Don't be that.