Rayvin

To be absolutely fair to gloom, he genuinely seems to believe and trust in the impartiality stuff. He is what the media should be. On the other hand, the current right wing press are looking a lot like everything we have described the MSM to be.

Quiff seems to think he'd be alright but I can't say I've watched him play tbh.

Will Defoe raise anything? I thought he was on a free...

Have to agree, they're bad but not that bad. It'd take some catastrophic management to see them go down consecutively. Even if they did, they'd come right back again. Arguably it's better if they gradually decline rather than immediately

Stop playing by the rules, no one else is!

Do your best to influence people, you're in a unique position!

While broadly agreeing, I will add that Corbyn has compromised on the nuclear deterrent which indicates some basic level of acceptance of the need to take on board views that deviate from his principles. Also, your touring of the country took place before the manifesto was out. Surely their odds will improve now (albeit not enough to win the thing).

I mean yeah, we do know that. Just wanted to hear you say it

How on earth are they going to convince anyone when the entirety of the right wing press is lined up against them (largely to protect the interests of those who run them)?

Why don't you use NO then? They have more members than we do, surely they'd be a suitable vehicle for discussing us?

A feast for magpies.

Aye the press are on the backfoot for sure. Just seen this from Chomsky - he name checks neoliberalism - #justsaying:

Agreed on this. Absolutely out of her depth, looks terrified. Do generally agree with a previous point you've made that there is simply a dearth of credible political leaders in Westminster at this point as well.

I don't quite understand why CT has done this either, but to be fair to him his issue with Labour was always that he didn't think the policies they had made financial sense. What I don't quite understand is what appears to be convincing him that they now do. The theories they're justifying it with are the same ones we've put forward on here in the past as far as I can tell.

Says the guy who spends more time on rtg than he does one here

I've had people tell me thinks like this in the past, and I suppose you never know. If true, it would suggest Gloom might have been right all along about the MSM not being some mouthpiece to establishment powers.

The press are being brutal over this. The Times, The Heil, The Torygraph, The Sun all coming out against the manifesto. Another thing I don't get here - why? No one employed by those papers actually writing the content will be in the top 5% of earners. I appreciate they're paid to write utter bollocks as directed from on high, but they're actively undermining their own interests. At least the people reading what they write can claim to have been misled.

At the end of the day, businesses would adapt because they'd have to. Same as they're having to with Brexit. Those that went under, in a free market system, would be replaced. He could implement it gradually anyway, organisations would have time to adjust.

Dunno like, I reckon our business could handle it and we're cut to the bone in terms of the number of people we have. Then again we cross train staff religiously to ensure that we're prepared for stuff like that, maybe other small businesses aren't as well organised.

Can see what you're saying but it'd need to be one hell of a swing.

I've been saying that for years. Agreed but it doesn't actually help us make it a reality I suppose. Maybe if Brexit hadn't happened this would have been the moment and event that caught the country's mood.

Startingly, Labour's manifesto appears to be getting people excited... Left wing populism finally on offer, it seems. This is what I hoped Corbyn would give us. Makes defeat no less inevitable, but the fact that these policies are even being floated causes an expansion of the discourse. The Tories will cling to their narrative about bankrupting the country, and Labour will stick to supporting the people. Exactly how it should be, for both sides. No more Labour pandering to the Tory line, at least for this election. A straight fight between the best interests of the people, and the propaganda that keeps them from it

For the avoidance of doubt, not even I think that policy makes sense

Absolue cast iron vote winner from the Lib Dems - a pledge to take in an extra 50k refugees: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/11/tim-farron-lib-dems-pledge-uk-take-50000-more-syrian-refugees Presumably Farron thinks that doing this will expose Labour (who surely can't turn around and agree to match this given the current political climate) and drive more lefties to his side. But ffs at £4.3bn it just sounds woefully out of touch.