Rayvin

Cressida Dick shares your opinion on armed offices incidentally, so it doesn't look like they're coming in.

Here is the quote where Jeremy Corbyn said Theresa May should resign over police cuts. Asked in an ITV interview if he supported calls for her to resign, he replied: Indeed I would, because there’s been calls made by a lot of very responsible people on this who are very worried that she was at the Home Office for all this time, presided over these cuts in police numbers and is now saying that we have a problem - yes, we do have a problem, we should never have cut the police numbers. But calling for a serving prime minister to resign three days before polling day may not seem particularly realistic and, when he was asked about May resigning for a second time, Corbyn said the election might be a better way of removing her. He said: We’ve got an election on Thursday and that’s perhaps the best opportunity to deal with it.

Corbyn has called for May to resign...

Fair point. Well, I can see both sides of this so I guess I'll head back over to the GE thread

Ok so you're actually (I think) talking at crossed purposes. ewerk's contention was that gun access is severely restricted and that the police would have an immediate advantage. You're agreeing that it is severely restricted, but that giving officers guns increases the risk of terrorists getting hold of them. Presumably you think the risk of that happening is higher, even if less likely, (measured in potential lives lost) than if the police can't quickly incapacitate a maniac with a knife. I mean, we can't say for sure but I can see the logic there.

I dunno Quiff, the point stands; why would terrorists suddenly be more able to get their hands on guns if we armed the police? You're suggesting that they haven't the motivation to do so at the moment? I'd find that odd, because they could do plenty more damage with guns. Anyway, I don't intend to get caught up in this, just thought I'd assist in refocusing. EDIT - ah, ewerk has given up with it anyway nevermind then.

The thing is though, the ones that are happy to report people are probably already doing so. It sounds as though the guys who did this latest attack had been reported. If the Muslim community reports them, and the police don't have the staffing or don't take the threat seriously, I'm not sure pointing the finger at Muslims helps much. Also, those that resist reporting them aren't going to be swayed by Javid because they're likely some way along to being indoctrinated themselves. So again, what does this call to arms in the Muslim community offer?

Yeah fair enough, I posted it because I thought his sentiments would resonate with some people. Not sure what the Muslim community can do now that it isn't already doing though.

Tories admitting they cut the police back, but suggesting that Labour agreed. Which I'm sure they did, given the race to the bottom for austerity was going. Not sure that accusation will work though given Corbyn certainly wouldn't have been in favour of cutting the police. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/05/karen-bradley-police-cuts-armed-officers-bbc-today-programme-london-bridge-attack Also, notably, Cooper has come out in support of Corbyn over police cuts. Granted its an easy one for her, but still.

Oh dear. Javid is a Tory, Gloom. Sadiq Kahn is the guy who said we should just get used to terrorism. Not sure he'd approve of the statement above.

Eh, fine - let's keep it vague then. Of those, I think Forest is the most likely - but if it's not them I'll give up on that list and let other people try it.

So we've got Preston and one of those 5? Are you actually going to make me type out five different posts combining Preston and one of those teams in order to determine which it is?

Ipswich Forest Leeds Wolves Villa I'm just throwing random teams with vaguely successful pasts out there now. Not even all that sure about Ipswich having a successful past.

Sajid Javid says Muslims have a 'unique burden' to fix this problem in their communities: Speaking as a Muslim myself, we need to ask ourselves searching questions … There’s no avoiding the fact that these people think they are Muslims. They identify as Muslims. And they carry out their attacks – ignorantly, offensively – in the name of Islam. That’s why, although we all share the responsibility for tackling terrorism, there’s a special, unique burden on the Muslim community … We need them to set off on the path to peace rather than the road to war. We need to offer not just a counternarrative, which rebuts the extremists, but a positive and self-confident narrative that promotes pluralistic, British values – and their compatibility with an Islamic life. And that message can best come from within the Muslim community.

Such a thief.

...so you created this thread twice then City and Blackburn were my contributions from the other one, given that Leicester was wrong.

I tend to say I'm Catholic and they scowl at me. Apparently in some denominations, Catholicism isn't considered to be a Christian faith.

As I say, I don't entirely disagree with that sentiment - but I genuinely do believe that the established order does not want Corbyn in power. They couldn't have choreographed his rise and he was way too below the radar to have been picked up previously. This is one occasion where they've let something slip through the net, and we need to capitalise on it.

Seriously?? Unbelievable... how stupid would you have to be to think there'd be no consequences to something like that.

The publishing industry thinks they're doomed but who knows, they might become retro.

Also true. As I say, I'd be in favour of it.

Only had Jehovah's Witnesses visit me a couple of times, but they were no trouble. Mormons on the other hand can be really pushy, and I genuinely think they prey on the weak willed who can't tell them no. That's why you end up with so many foreign students from polite cultures joining them. Whenever there's a discussion on this, I always think fondly of the Black Books episode where Bernard is trying to pass the time without Manny and invites a couple of them in

Agree with ewerk on this. Arming the police doesn't really feel like an infringement of civil liberties and, with training, may reduce the risks of terrorism. The problem we'll get is that there'll be more shootings by police on a general day to day basis - are our police more responsible and open minded than their US counterparts?

Generally the Tories believe in the free market and cutting back the state, but in a rather cynical bid for power they seem to have sidelined this narrative in their manifesto in favour of demonising immigrants for the failures of a system that they themselves established. Labour weren't much better for an extended period of time (although I freely admit that 'not much better' is still 'better'), so I sympathise to a degree with your tentacle analogy. However, on this occasion I think it might be worth reading what Labour have to offer, as they have a draft of policies that I've never seen make it onto a manifesto, with a promise of real change. Granted, this could end up bankrupting the country (depending on how much you believe the Daily Mail knows what it's talking about) but on the other hand, it might vastly improve the majority of people's lives.

I thought Saudi was behind all this shit, not Qatar...