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I can see what you're saying but 'no deal' is likely to be far worse than a bad deal. The EU will know this when the time comes, as will we. No deal would hurt us far more than them. She's threatening to chop our leg off in order to take out one of their toes.

Been gone for longer than that. Over a month I'd say since he posted properly. I think he's left us for pastures new.

Can't think of any reason that they would, so it'll have to be incompetence.

It's been interesting how little Brexit has featured in this from Labour's point of view. Starting to look like very sensible strategy.

He looks absolutely the same to me. I went to see him last year when he was speaking in Newcastle City Centre. Same manner, same presentation. At the end of the day, who cares though. The main point is that he now looks electable to people who previously didn't think he was. As an aside though, one thing that concerns me is that if he looks likely to win it, people might scare away from voting for him. The stuff about how unfit he is for office he is might still be buried in people's minds.

Let's not get too carried away like, he hasn't done anything yet. Polls are better but we could still end up with a landslide. Personally feel the difference has been that people are seeing what he says himself rather than what how it looks through the filter of the press. It's also been beneficial that the PLP have finally shut up, as KD says.

Wasn't having a dig tbf, just quite happy that it seems to be working. If he prevents the majority (and I agree, it's still a longshot) then I'll just be quietly pleased. Ish.

You legend. This is exactly what I hoped might happen with Corbyn. @Renton Fair play for not being tribal about it, I probably owe you an apology there for thinking you wouldn't actually consider it. Sorry I await abuse for apologising.

Well done mate - sorry I left abruptly, got called away cos my partner slashed her hand open with a mackerel tin... (She's fine) Good job with it, serious major effort to play for that long.

What swung you?

Seriously?!

I agree with you 100% on this, reached the same conclusion myself. That said, the only thing you could add in that -would- give free will, is the soul. So if free will exists, so must 'the soul'.

The Guardian doesn't have a choice now - they've got to back him. That's the whole thing with Corbyn, he's forcing people to actually choose between the Tories and change.

Basically yeah.

I think he meant Muslims kill other Muslims more than they kill anyone else. Which I'd imagine is true.

How are you going to stream the Switch? Does it have a feature for that?

Right so, what this means is that Wolfy (and he can correct me if I'm wrong here) thinks the whole situation is entirely unknown or unknowable, and that we're dealing with theories only. Anyone can postulate one, to the best of their ability, but there's no way of proving any of it. As such, he may as well stick to his guns on a thought process that makes sense to him. The real issue, is why he has chosen to reject the generally accepted evidence of the issue. Presumably stems from a deep mistrust of society in general? Could also be a yearning for the world to be a little more interesting than it is? Wolfy would, I expect, argue that the reality is he simply sat down, thought about it, and it hit him. There is no spoon. It's interesting, but I don't think it's a point that can be debated because Wolfy rejects all evidence out of hand, and feels that the battle can only be won on a theoretical basis.

I think it's just on this issue tbf. Kippers and the right wing loonies are no fans of foreign interventions, so Corbyn will be striking a chord with them. He should, fingers crossed, come out of this relatively unscathed. EDIT - but make no mistake, there's no chance of the same people voting for him. It just dilutes the impact of criticism of this speech that more people are seen to agree with him.

Scanned what? The Mail? The top rate comment reads: But he's right, this is Bush and Blair's fault. It present has 3600 upvotes and 700 downvotes Second top: I'm not a Corbyn lover but I think he is dead right Upvote: 2536 Downvt: 800 There's plenty more...

Let's take us out of this. So our evidence and theories are utter nonsense, not worth talking about. Why have you concluded that your theory is correct? On what basis? I don't need to know the theory itself, you've already explained that, but what is allowing you to believe your theory. Do you have evidence? Does it just make logical sense to you? What is it? The problem we're having is why you think your theories hold any more weight than literally any other theory. I think from what you're saying, you believe that there is literally no way of knowing the answer - so therefore, your theory is as good as any. Would that be right?

That's actually a worry I have. May fucking up and everyone attributing any swing to Corbyn to her. The only reason that matters is sustainability of the narrative, but I'd rather have 'the people wanted change' as the reason when the alternative is 'the Tories are just unbelievably shit'.

Do you have a schedule of games you'll be playing?

FFS. Just FFS.

Wolfy, I don't think anyone is even arguing the theory anymore - Fish was just making a point that you're rejecting all of our evidence based on a series of parameters (lack of evidence, need to see it for yourself, etc) that you are also failing to apply to your own theory. As such, your argument is basically just that you think the earth is flat because you think the earth is flat. Now, think about how that argument looks to us - and you'll see why no one is convinced. The big difference is that some of us have seen proof that the earth is not flat - you think our eyes are lying to us and so on, but at least we can point to evidence (however flawed you might think it is) to support our conclusion.