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Eh, fine - let's keep it vague then. Of those, I think Forest is the most likely - but if it's not them I'll give up on that list and let other people try it.

So we've got Preston and one of those 5? Are you actually going to make me type out five different posts combining Preston and one of those teams in order to determine which it is?

Ipswich Forest Leeds Wolves Villa I'm just throwing random teams with vaguely successful pasts out there now. Not even all that sure about Ipswich having a successful past.

Sajid Javid says Muslims have a 'unique burden' to fix this problem in their communities: Speaking as a Muslim myself, we need to ask ourselves searching questions … There’s no avoiding the fact that these people think they are Muslims. They identify as Muslims. And they carry out their attacks – ignorantly, offensively – in the name of Islam. That’s why, although we all share the responsibility for tackling terrorism, there’s a special, unique burden on the Muslim community … We need them to set off on the path to peace rather than the road to war. We need to offer not just a counternarrative, which rebuts the extremists, but a positive and self-confident narrative that promotes pluralistic, British values – and their compatibility with an Islamic life. And that message can best come from within the Muslim community.

Such a thief.

...so you created this thread twice then City and Blackburn were my contributions from the other one, given that Leicester was wrong.

I tend to say I'm Catholic and they scowl at me. Apparently in some denominations, Catholicism isn't considered to be a Christian faith.

As I say, I don't entirely disagree with that sentiment - but I genuinely do believe that the established order does not want Corbyn in power. They couldn't have choreographed his rise and he was way too below the radar to have been picked up previously. This is one occasion where they've let something slip through the net, and we need to capitalise on it.

Seriously?? Unbelievable... how stupid would you have to be to think there'd be no consequences to something like that.

The publishing industry thinks they're doomed but who knows, they might become retro.

Also true. As I say, I'd be in favour of it.

Only had Jehovah's Witnesses visit me a couple of times, but they were no trouble. Mormons on the other hand can be really pushy, and I genuinely think they prey on the weak willed who can't tell them no. That's why you end up with so many foreign students from polite cultures joining them. Whenever there's a discussion on this, I always think fondly of the Black Books episode where Bernard is trying to pass the time without Manny and invites a couple of them in

Agree with ewerk on this. Arming the police doesn't really feel like an infringement of civil liberties and, with training, may reduce the risks of terrorism. The problem we'll get is that there'll be more shootings by police on a general day to day basis - are our police more responsible and open minded than their US counterparts?

Generally the Tories believe in the free market and cutting back the state, but in a rather cynical bid for power they seem to have sidelined this narrative in their manifesto in favour of demonising immigrants for the failures of a system that they themselves established. Labour weren't much better for an extended period of time (although I freely admit that 'not much better' is still 'better'), so I sympathise to a degree with your tentacle analogy. However, on this occasion I think it might be worth reading what Labour have to offer, as they have a draft of policies that I've never seen make it onto a manifesto, with a promise of real change. Granted, this could end up bankrupting the country (depending on how much you believe the Daily Mail knows what it's talking about) but on the other hand, it might vastly improve the majority of people's lives.

I thought Saudi was behind all this shit, not Qatar...

I don't expect to be better off personally under Labour. I may well be worse off. However, there's a lot they can offer that will, I hope, enable other people to have as good a start in their lives and careers as possible. While also saving the NHS, pulling back from armed conflict the world over, and ensuring that if we have to Brexit, we're not Brexiting for the benefit of rich fuckwits who own newspapers.

I'm voting Labour because I voted Corbyn during the leadership elections based on his policies. Those policies are now in the manifesto and on offer to the public. I feel that there was very little change achievable under previous Labour administrations, amd have been pleased to have an actual choice this election. I wouldn't vote the Tories because I consider them to be cynically holding onto power and wealth while at the same time prepared to trade away everything they don't need/care about in order to maintain control. They are an anachronism.

brilliant.

But what would we do with them? Hold them indefinitely?

And what do we do with them? What do we hold them for, and for how long?

Exactly.

That sounds an awful lot like what I said in my previous post. You would have them arrested before they commit a crime. Minority Report style?

What would you have it do?

Ah you're saying why don't they lock them all up? Probably because they haven't actually committed a crime at the point of being 'on the list'. We can't just bend the rules to get around that point. To do so would compromise our values and way of life.

By the sounds of it, the government hasn't given them the resources they need. At least that was the feedback after Manchester. This is the problem with cutting back the state.