Rayvin

Yeah but, this time they were getting students out on the basis of 'you can make a difference'. And the while they certainly did, they haven't actually achieved anything material. Harder to sell the second time around.

Can we win that one? Tougher fight, the Tories won't be surprised next time.

Chaos is a ladder Saying that, I've no idea how McDonnell thinks he's going to get away with that.

“The two parties have worked well together for two years.There’s no reason to suppose they won’t continue to do so in future. “But the point made time after time to Labour MPs remains: for as long as you allow yourselves to be led by an IRA cheerleader, you exclude yourselves from entering No 10.” This is from the DUP. They can get fucked. A total irrelevance of a party until Calamity Theresa happened to fall on them awkwardly last night.

Aye but it's not a toxic issue in the Labour Party since they're voting out anyway, and Labour's stance would actually be beneficial to people (jobs ahead of other considerations). The Tories are driven by ideology on this one, on the extremist fringe at least.

Too old for this again. But my point was that the Tories won't risk running another election in the short term because there's every chance they could lose. I suspect that at some point over the next 5 years, Corbyn will step down and be replaced by someone else - what we've ensured, is that this person will hold the correct policy positions.

Only thing here is that the Tories have pro-Remain backers in their camp too. They could be emboldened because actually, they could swing EU based decisions on their head very, very easily. Only 2 of them would need to rebel.

They're not going to risk giving Corbyn a straight shot at winning, which they will now absolutely believe he's capable of.

I dunno, Corbyn ups the stakes considerably. Are the extreme anti-EU Tories going to risk re-running an election that they could lose outright, and thus inadvertently usher in the most socialist leaning politician in 30 years?

It really is crazy what this has come to. May is such a fucking muppet. While this is, on paper, a 'good' result for Labour, it still doesn't change anything. The Tories are going to cling on.

They sound worse than the Tories, if that's even possible. Obviously without the same clout, but still.

She's off to form a government man, she's clearly going to survive it in the short term.

I have taken almost no interest in the DUP whatsoever for the entirely of my political life, and in the space of 10 minutes, I now hate them

They've ruled it out. "Snowball's chance in hell"

They're opposed to Corbyn on the whole Irish Republican thing by the sounds of it. This is getting stupid now. I keep coming back to how fucking stupid Scottish Labour and the SNP have been here though...

“For as long as Corbyn leads Labour, we will ensure there’s a Tory PM.” The DUP’s ‘price’ for propping up a new Conservative government will include a promise that there would be no post-Brexit special status for Northern Ireland, the party’s leader in Westminster has confirmed. Nigel Dodds, re-elected as North Belfast MP, said that among their preconditions would be an insistence that there was no separate deal that would effectively keep the region with one foot still inside the EU. The DUP fears that special status after Brexit – a key demand of Sinn Féin – would de-couple Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK. The party will return to the House of Commons with 10 seats and in all likelihood will only support a Tory administration, Dodds said.

She's thrown in with the DUP.

Hugs all round then

Minority government and probably a general hope that the DUP will fall into line when needed then. Well, fair enough to her. She looks a right fucking pillock now though.

I don't mean it aggressively fwiw, it's just a useful label for those with that philosophy. Pre-Corbyn it would have been perfectly acceptable to use it.

The Blairites will come back. They have to - their objection to Corbyn was that he wouldn't put up a good showing in an election. Now that he has, they've pretty much got to nail their cocks to the mast.

As has been said earlier, Scottish Labour responsible for that too. "Vote Tory in these areas to stop the SNP". Fucking pillocks. If Labour needs a purge anywhere, it's in their Scottish party. As for the SNP, I think they might be in trouble now.

I'm sat at work now struggling to stay awake... Glad I endured though. Nice to get to see something positive unfold politically, albeit a measured positive. Just another 6 hours before i can go home...

Your lads didn't do as badly as I feared in the end. Not amazing, and you did lose Clegg - but you got Cable back.

It's more of a victory over the PLP than it is over the Tories, but I agree that it's worth being happy about. The project will continue.