Rayvin

IMO, Labour need to bring centrists back into the fold. They're out of touch but far more credible than anything the Tories have. Corbyn backed by Miliband, Cooper and Benn would be strong. Secondly they need to throw resources at seats like Rudd's. If they put no effort into that at all, and still nearly won it, then it has to be a target next time. Finally, they need to get Scotland in order. The Tory seats have to either swing back to the SNP, or go to Labour outright. Ideally the latter. Not impossible by any means, but it relies on the centrists coming on board. They'll have more influence that way anyhow.

That sounded inevitable. It's the Tories trying to scapegoat IMO.

I haven't played in ages but I could do at some point this weekend if you want - I thought you sold your PS4 though?

That interview.... she is utterly incapable of talking outside of pre-prepared lines. Just abysmal stuff.

Yep, I would say that nails it.

Worth reading this chap's assessment of the early days of the Brexit negotiations - he's the Brexit correspondent for the Guardian - read the chain:

I'm not especially convinced that May has much of a clue. The DUP have made a statement saying that there's been a preliminary discussion and that an agreement will be reached later, so that sounds as if they're heading the right way, but surely May would need to have done all of this before getting the Queen's permission to proceed? I'm sure that's how it's meant to work. I do actually think she has done this ass backwards.

I dunno, I'm wondering if this is all normal as the press don't appear to be making a huge fuss about it. Maybe it's just the way she's wording things that's making it look as though she's rushed in to form a government without actually talking about it...

It does, I agree - the increase is only relevant in context to the person who came before.

Also interesting:

The DUP now saying they haven't agreed to anything What the fuck is going on Theresa?

What do you mean the description of Alt-Right? I'm not sure Farage identifies as such, although if he had any savvy, he probably would do. The Alt-Right themselves definitely see themselves intellectuals. Believe it or not.

Aye but it's done now. One thing that consistently infuriates me is facebook's stupid fucking algorithm that prevents you from seeing dissenting politics posts in your news feed or even on other people's profiles. Prevents discussion, review, any form of conversation. Similarly, when I post things, I'm just hurling them into an echo chamber of people who facebook thinks will agree with me.

Farage is becoming something of a cult hero to the Alt-Right, which I find fascinating because the guy is an intellectual pygmy (which is important to the Alt-Right because they consider themselves to be hyper-rational, free thinkers. Like Wolfy). So yes, he's going to come back and, I expect, paint himself as some sort of Trump figure.

I knew some pedant working in something like the food or energy industries would pick me up one that What do you do again?

I mean, frankly, we're all working in dying industries. That's one of the great challenges of the modern age

I hate to say it mate, but the same trend that will put paid to Dacre will effect the press on the whole - and indeed is doing so. Even the left wing outlets like the Guardian are struggling now. So yes, it's good for breaking the strangehold that the media have of information, and it may finally smite the Heil, but we'll lose some decent sources along the way too.

Man I hope you're right.

Osborne absolutely loving this.

There is just no way the Tories will go back to the electorate against a resurgent Corbyn. They have far, far too much to lose. It's not a standard Labour party they're facing with Corbyn.

Might just be tiredness, but I'm finding it difficult to really become enthused about all of this in the end. The Tories will hang on with everything they've got in my opinion, and May certainly won't be around if they go back to the electorate again. Labour need to start working immediately on improving their campaigning and setting things in motion to capture the necessary votes to throw them back next time. Personally, I would target Scotland.

The thing is, if a big deal isn't made of it, she'll just coast on through.

Sounds like Kensington is going to Labour.

I think it will, based on the fact that I thought the Tory/Lib Dem alliance wouldn't last and it did.