Rayvin

That sounds a lot like what some of us have been saying for the past couple of weeks. And if this is true, then Rafa isn't necessarily being messed about.

Stress? Public humiliation?

Absolutely agree with the concerns. I was hoping that it might better portray my issue with the 'MSM' - not so much that I think they're part of some establishment cover up, but that by not expanding to include a wider range of ideas and views, they're effectively channeling the spirit of the establishment and the status quo in everything they report. Which at this moment in time, I would argue, is driving people to the fake news sites that you're complaining about (and which I fully agree are a blight on our information landscape).

I read broadly - also, Marina Hyde tweeted it.

The Brexiteers have all moved onto the standard "we all knew it was going to be hard but it'll be worth it in the long run" line. Obviously no one can explain why things will get better later on, but there it is.

@Dr Gloom https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/07/media-culpa-journalists-are-losing-publics-trust/ Interested on your thoughts on this. For me it's his final point that's causing the problem. Having said that, I'm not throwing this at you to be provocative, genuinely am interested.

Different needs for different requirements though. China is attempting to fast pace itself into a developed nation - I don't see any way of doing that without steamrolling over people's rights. They're also doing a decent job of controlling a populace who have become far too nationalistic, and are probably a greater threat without the CCP than they are with them, at this point in time. Were they a developed country, then obviously the situation would be totally different. I will stress though, that they don't have my blessing. Just my understanding on a pragmatic level that some things (population control in a nation with 25% of the world's population and 8% of the world's fresh water) are more important than others (human rights with respect of having children).

I actually think the Chinese government runs the country fairly well. Unfortunately they have a very emotionally immature populace. Someone in Taiwan (biased) once described mainland China as what would happen if you let chavs take over your country. There's elements of truth in that. As for the BBC, are they not just reporting that it happened? Has there been any wider commentary on the issue?

Aye I read this. It's not really a PC issue IMO. China is populated by people who are just hopelessly insecure about their nation and how it is perceived, and fiercely nationalistic. Any slight against the motherland requires contrition and repentance. Chelsea have issued a grovelling apology and China has threatened to ban them from ever returning. Nation of crybabies.

This forum is nigh on impenetrable for newbies mind It's like a proving ground where you have to commit to at least one argument with a forum mainstay in order for everyone to invest enough emotional capital in you for it to be worth sticking around.

Wtf What was he even angry about?

Sargon doesn't monetise his videos but seems to make money through Patreon. About $6k/month. The thing that really stunned me recently is some Professor who recently became the focal point of Canada's ire by refusing to use people's personal pronouns. He's a psychology professor and the sort of people who watch Sargon have swarmed to him. He makes $60k/month. At the start of the year, no one had heard of him.

Yeah I told you that. I'm sad enough to follow such things He now has 460k subs though, plus sponsorship deals. I suspect he's pushing £60/£70k now.

True - Hello Fresh was something we used for a while, before stopping it and just buying the stuff locally and using the same recipes. Still though, I find cooking tedious and could make an argument for working into the evening and earning more than it would cost me to get someone else to deal with dinner. The problem with restaurant food is that it's probably not very good for you to eat it that often, and you're paying a premium (though it will depend on the place I concede).

I don't have a cleaner but Andrew's logic seems sound to me. How long before we hire chefs as well though? Although you could claim Deliveroo already handles that.

People are going to start getting the wrong idea about this forum...

We must be sorted on the flanks now, right?

"Hundreds of millions of years ago, people were trading for rocks and stones." That's amazing.

Ah so you think the 'story' is ridiculous. I agree tbf, but there it is. You want me to post a picture with today's newspaper or something? I want to stress that I knew nothing about this watch or its value (or lack thereof). Moreover, I didn't buy it, so it's hardly any form of statement with respect of my wealth. I don't even own a house man

...do tell?

Well put.

I mean, my degree was Chinese. So I was with a lot of people who thought the same way tbf. The year in China was good, but also showed me that living there long term wasn't something to aspire to.