Rayvin

I think Ashley has worn people down over time Troops. If Rafa goes I expect there'll be little to no discernable reaction. Maybe a few matchside protests, but it'll die down and we'll all just start hoping for the best again.

Sounds about right. The thing is, does landing a missile 30km off the coast of Guam count? Would the Chinese stand for that if someone did it to them? Maybe they would, but the margins for interpretation are intriguing here. If China gets involved in the war then nothing will be resolved. The US will be repelled at the cost of some 2 million dead Chinese and things will rumble on much as they have been for some time. Having said that, this briefing I suspect indicates that NK aren't going to do anything stupid. China has flat out said here that they won't support them if they attack first - so they won't, IMO.

sounds like the planning for this has been exemplary if Birmingham and Villa are considered to be different regions.

From RTG: "...Come on these threads and you can always bet there's a mag making a tit of himself and the fish typing his pointless essays that nobody reads" They're onto you...

The alt right have nothing to do with this.

I'm just bored at work. As I said earlier, if we have a nuclear war, the only concern I'd have is making sure I'm in the blast radius of the first range of nukes. Prefer a quick death, ideally. Beyond that, I have little interest in this beyond its ability to distract me from my emails. So frenzy may be overstating it. Overthinking it, possibly

We could just do nothing about that, and rely on MAD. Not sure I agree with that approach, but it's Renton approved at least.

At some point chest beating has to turn into action. We're closer to that now than we were 6 months ago - that's all I'm saying

Yeah but that only works if we assume that Kim Jong Un is restrained by similar forces at his end. He won't be. He could respond in the same language as Trump and then see it through.

Well, I agree - but they said they were going to do it just this afternoon. Granted, it's likely an empty threat... but I don't think they've made such a threat before. It's apparently planned for mid-month.

North Korea? I dunno man, I think Clinton would have gone the same route as Trump, sanctions and all, right up until he threatened them with 'fire and fury'. Clinton wouldn't have done that, and that's what they're currently responding to. He's made it difficult for either side to step down without losing face now. I doubt Clinton would have done the same thing.

Well, that's true - but if North Korea fire a missile over Japan that lands within uncomfortable distance of US territory, is congress going to stand in his way? I don't think they (NK) are that crazy, but you never know.

Some friends and I have a zombie apocalypse survival plan in place. I guess we need to work on a nuclear holocaust one as well.

It's currently looking more likely with Trump than it would with Hillary, and out of respect to honest debate, I have to acknowledge that I was wrong in my assessment of Trump as isolationist in his outlook. He has baited North Korea into this escalating stand off in a way Clinton never would have. But that said, I also noted that I didn't think it would come to nuclear war, so I assure you I'm not worrying

Tbf, Meenz just threw it in there to demonstrate that it doesn't really matter if we wipe ourselves out through Nukes since it's in the post anyway.

Grim. I get what you're saying though. Ideologies have played such a big part in mobilising people to follow such men that you just kind of assume that those at the top believe them too. In which case, is the answer that we actually do need an ideology, but one that can survive the risk of being co-opted by those in power?

Just reading that article, this struck me: "But more than half of the carbon humanity has exhaled into the atmosphere in its entire history has been emitted in just the past three decades; since the end of World War II, the figure is 85 percent. Which means that, in the length of a single generation, global warming has brought us to the brink of planetary catastrophe, and that the story of the industrial world’s kamikaze mission is also the story of a single lifetime." That generation has a lot to answer for. Almost fucking everything, in fact.

See, Trump is just planning to cancel that out with Nuclear winter. Sorted. Have to say, that article makes grim reading... Elon Musk needs to get a fucking move on.

If true, it would support your view on the deep state control I suppose. Current policy at Google would be entirely at odds with the Trump regime so it must be coming from somewhere else - which would mean political power has left the arena of elected officials - or that Obama and the Clintons were just on the same page. Not sure I'm quite ready to believe that, but it's a compelling case nonetheless. To what end though? Can't just be power and control, they already have that. They're never going to have direct control over foreign peoples, the only vehicle for achieving such a thing would be a far more politically significant UN. If it's money then I guess I get it, but again, aren't these people already the richest individuals alive, by and large?

Unlikely without a global war, yes. Well, for now anyway. In actual fact, I suspect isolationism would make global conflict far more likely. If this kicks off and the rest of the world doesn't descend into chaos, it's probably globalisation that we'll have to thank for that, for all its faults. Also accept that having children will make you more concerned about this. I'm more of the view that if this is going to happen, I hope I'm nuked in the early stages

My view on Trump was that, as an isolationist in rhetoric, he wouldn't do this shit. Clearly I was wrong about that. I think it highly unlikely a nuclear war would kick off with Hillary at the helm, although I suspect she'd still have bloodied her hands considerably. I don't think this will end up in a nuclear war though, I think the yanks could do this without nukes. And I don't think it's guaranteed that the rest of the world would suddenly kick off if NK and the US come to blows. Would Putin fancy his chances against Europe? I'm not sure Russia has that particular fight in them you know, the EU has the largest military in the world if considered to be a single entity. He'll not be blind to that. But hey, maybe another world war would sort out a few problems as well. The economy would be sorted and population levels would decline - we'd probably also get One World Government at the other end of it to ensure that 'nothing like this can happen ever again'. Assuming the allies won, that is.

Ok Parky, that article is massive. Can you give me an abstract? In related news, Google has just demonetised right wing commentators on YouTube, has suspended (and then reinstated) Jordan Peterson's Google account, and Twitter has suspended Sargon's account. Subtle stuff Looks like they're really going for the jugular this time.

Yeah, the thing is, the ones who engage with you are all cunts. The intelligent ones (and there are some) are normally circulating in their politics forums or on issues like finances as you say. The ones you argue with, if you met them irl, you'd be trying to get away from as soon as possible for fear that whatever is wrong with them is contagious.