Rayvin

Do you think, if they got a truly radical liberal in, that this person could offer a referendum on it? Would lobbying stand up in the face of a 70% no vote? Obviously I know that the majority of Americans might actually want guns, and that any referendum is likely to be entirely counter-productive, and ultimately end up tearing the country apart, but it still might at least put the issue to bed. If the majority came out in favour of them, then that is just the reality of their country. No point blaming the NRA, politicians, etc. It's squarely on the shoulders of the American people.

They need a much larger tragedy to shake them into action IMO. And even then, doing so may well set off a civil war.

Just as a thought. If you get it on the PC I can promise you a far better standard of play

I doubt you'll regret it. Does have a steep learning curve though.

15 quid. It's not even expensive. Also, while I have it on PS4, I'm only good on the PC. Which means we wouldn't have a huge skill gap. Its cross compatible anyway though.

The straw clutching here is starting to reach quite high levels

This is exactly why the neo-nazis and antifa are a problem. Both sides doing armed marches ffs.

Very, very good point.

Yeah the queuing thing is mad. We finally finished it last night. I basically insisted I was on the team this time. Still look way longer than it should've because people are slow (similar to what you've just described). Still don't feel like I've totally done it though since I've not gone through front to back. Will try again next week. Tried the prestige nightfall as a 2 man team. Tough going...

We're not a fan base that has a great track record of getting things we hope for though

The US is fascinating in this regard. If you really do need to sell guns, you've at least got to make them harder for crazies to buy them.

Any motive been made clear yet? Lone nut?

Brexit and the collapse of the pound cited as primary reasons, alongside terrorism, for Monarch going under. More hugely positive news from an industry that seems to be the canary in the coalmine.

Good day for her to be there though. Nothing in it I'm sure, but the talk about all of this is starting to sound encouraging.

Has any referendum ever had a positive impact on any country anywhere? They're not going to get independence. They should do, if 90% of them want it, but it's not going to happen.

Nice one, good to see us defend so resolutely. Remember when we lost this fixture 6-0 under Pardew...?

nice one. Lemme know how you get on with it when you get to it. As I say, hopefully I'll be able to do it today...

How did you get on? I'm hoping to get a run at the raid today. Have done everything else for the week and am presently 296. Ready as ill ever be.

There's a report doing the rounds that he was reciting a colonial era, quite inappropriate poem about Myanmar, while in Myanmar, on microphone, to a delegation of Myanmese. He had to be stopped by the ambassador. The man is absolutely an old school racist, he believes in the natural supremacy of the UK. That delusion will feed his Brexit stance.

I just told him He is raging. Apparently the core issue is that people are dying too much - and then I think they're wasting their revives bringing back inferior players. I think I'll just grab two other relatively competent people from the clan and do it guided - that way we can get it done on the clan's behalf

We could settle it in PVP. Show of strength, winner takes the clan

Yeah they've got engrams each week for everything except the raid. I very much could do with a new clan. Problem is the leader is a guy I know personally He's not a leader, clearly.

Absolutely true, and I even thought about re-wording that You know what I mean though. Class is a social construct you're born into but which is only as legitimate as the society that surrounds it. The other measures of identity are not. They're solid and unchangeable, no matter what class is doing. More importantly though, addressing problems through the lens of class would create unity between the working class white and the working class minority ethnic groups. Granted, we in the middle classes would get a kicking from them, but maybe we deserve it.

The concern with going back to the centre ground is that you alienate the disaffected working class. The risk there is that a sizeable number of them head over to far right extremism. Despite the fact that I'm a card carrying nazi, this isn't something I want to see, and feel would be hugely concerning for the country on the whole. We need Labour to be clearly seen to be fighting for these people. If we do go back to the centre with respect of the EU, Labour needs to make a number of very positive changes that directly improve things for the working classes. The message needs to be about class rather than identity, pointless creation of division, and all the other nonsense that comes with the left at the moment.

This is a sticking point for me. Personally, I would far rather we had a centrist Labour who could take us back into the EU in some form or another. Socially, for wider society, I think we need Corbyn.