Rayvin

Aye, explains why he's on here causing pointless arguments about things no one outside of the bidding process really understands or has any information on

Agreed, but Gloom gets these ideas in his head and I dunno...

Here's to another productive morning!

I dunno, was Gloom's original point. I'm mostly just arguing for the hell of it now. Although the values of the clubs weren't my point. It was more about the mentality and the ability to show strength in deal making.

In a world where she wants to buy Liverpool and can demonstrate that 'final offer' means 'final offer' without risking that deal?

The first point is what I said though, it makes no sense. Unless you have no intention of going higher. So my view is that the bid is so low, as to actually not even be particularly useful in a negotiating context. Especially since Ashley already knew that they valued the club around this figure as it was widely reported. If she legitimately doesn't intend to negotiate, then the take it or leave it makes sense. And given that the bid is almost pointlessly low (assuming Ashley behaves in his normal way) it is conceivable that this is as far as they're prepared to go. Unless creating a media stir helps them in some other way, as Gloom was suggesting.

The Fish has zero chill this morning

I am like

I still think we've made exactly the same point. All I did otherwise was support a previously stated view of mine (the offer is too low by far) and considered that logically, for me at least, the low offer coupled with a take it or leave it, could make sense. Then you just barrelled into me, arms windmilling and everything

The Fish has me rattled

I'm not remotely concerned tbh, because I firmly believe this won't happen Having said that, what's the harm in a little speculation?

And against a wider backdrop of Rafa potentially being in his final season with us if this takeover doesn't happen, I think I'm entitled to be concerned I even clarified

Um... no... I said it would be a stupid move, same as you. So if I'm 'reacting to it', then you've done the same thing since our position is...the same! The only mitigation on that point is that I consider that the low offer would actually make sense if it was a take it or leave it kind of deal. If it's not, then I would just consider it derisory if I were Ashley.

I did not suggest that... that might be where your mind went, but I didn't say anything of the sort Ashley would never 'bin off' Rafa if it meant paying him compensation man. I suggested that if Rafa walks, we could end up with Pulis.

True, if the reports are false, then fine. But the rest of your post appears to back up the claim that your first line rejects. I agree with you, if you intend the negotiation to keep going then making a take it or leave it offer right off the bat is stupid. That was my point.

That's like going all in right at the start though. If he calls her bluff and she goes back with another offer, why won't he just think he can do it again and get an even higher one third time around?

The proposed bid appears to cover original value plus loan though. Also, there's no way in hell he would accept that. There's no way in hell he would accept any of this

How can anyone in politics support a position that is 'staunchly against the GFA'... ? I assume he doesn't actually want a return to war But yeah, this sounds problematic for the government. Glad I don't have to work it out.

This isn't happening.

What...? As in it's lower or higher?

So still a profit at least. Depends how badly he wants out, at the end of the day.

Has anyone actually tabled a workable, non-hard border solution?

If that's true, we're fucked. Although it would make sense given how low the offer is.

Does £300m at least cover what he spent on the club and the debt? If it does, then I suppose it would give him something to think about.

I thought there was growing acknowledgement that it would have to be a hard border. I appreciate that this is no solution at all in pragmatic terms, but I struggle to see what else they can do.