Rayvin

Actually, there are some commentators claiming that this is what has happened, with help from the EU. Can't link it easily because I don't use Twitter, but this guy basically: https://twitter.com/bopanc?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2Fblog%2Flive%2F2017%2Fdec%2F04%2Ftheresa-may-heads-to-brussels-hoping-to-conclude-phase-one-of-brexit-talks-politics-live

I so badly want to believe this is true, but I expect in a months time we'll have moved onto the next shambles as they will have somehow muddled through this

If they can get the narrative right, who knows. People are so desperate to be proven 'right' about Brexit, that enough fuckwits might swallow it just so that they don't have to admit their stupidity.

Unless they agree a deal with the EU that, for all intents and purposes, looks like the Single Market and Customs Union, just under another name. That's the plan, I'm increasingly sure of it. Whether such a thing is remotely possible, is what the government's viability will hinge on.

Think you guys are hoping for too much... EDIT - although I note Sturgeon has made her bid for Scotland to stay in. The thing is, I just don't see the Tories blindly walking into this without a plan.

The whole thing is a fucking disaster for the NE though.

I genuinely think it's this: The government is pinning everything on the trade deal, which it expects will make this concern obsolete somehow. The single market in all but name, I think.

That's the gist of it tbh Also a lot of "You can't trust the Tories, always looking after their rich friends", "This will break up the union!" Finally starting to cotton on maybe. I do think Scotland will go if NI gets what it looks like it's getting.

In positive news. The Mail's comment section is fucking furious.

I've been waiting on the Tories to collapse for months, and they're just not doing it. They won't let this become a GE issue, I think they'd sooner turn Brexit around.

They'll not just have walked into a GE man, they'll have a plan.

So the idea seems to be that the Tories are confident that they'll get a customs agreement that looks near as dammit to the single market and that none of this will matter as a result. What the fuck man, what a colossal waste of time this is.

If true, you would think Scotland would be all over it.

Looks like bad news for Remain sentiments on the face of it though.

Was under the impression that they were now fining people for needless middle lane driving?

I have gone to PCSpecialist several times and haven't been let down. I mean, shop around by all means, but I would go back to them personally.

Was under the impression Norway was in a similar bind to us. Electorate too stupid to go for it but their political classes believe they should be fully integrated.

I think the conclusion that we need to leave the Single Market if we're going to leave the EU for the reasons given, is logical. We noted as soon as the referendum went through that 'leaving the EU' but staying in the single market would be completely pointless. Wouldn't deliver any of the things people thought they were voting for. I think the government concluding that the only thing that doesn't look politically ridiculous, leaving the single market, is actually a fairly rational conclusion. Still devastating for the country, but y'know.

No one thinks you don't want the club to do well man, they just think you're too negative. It's entirely up to you what your opinion is though. I think we can get 10 points from those games.

Nice to see some spirited debate about this. I can't make my mind up really although I've seen people start to appear like they're questioning some of Rafa's decisions, which suggests that he has lost some of the untouchable status that he did have. Having said that, I agree with TDan that he'll keep us up. I still don't think it'll be that close tbh, suspect we'll pull out of this. The big mistake in the run of games we've had was those two 1-0 losses against Bournemouth and whoever the other one was. The other games have gone as you'd expect IMO.

One of the guys on my team has made an art out of spinning in the air in front of the enemy goal, and just slightly touching the ball from someone else's shot so that he gets the goal. Hate that guy

The thing is, I loved playing the bots and getting better. So that made it enjoyable for me. If you're finding it painful, then yeah, it'll be a hell of a journey. Still worth it though in the end, the online play is really enjoyable.

@adios How are you getting on?

How surprised would any of us really be if essembee didn't actually blink irl.