Rayvin

Hopefully, Corbyn's Labour. Since it does have anti-establishment credentials, and it does have something to offer people beyond a version of Brexit that can't be realised. This is literally the only thing the Tories have to sell now as far as I can see.

I don't think that's the same as coming out and advocating for SM access, although it's laying the groundwork. Personally I would argue that they're tightening the screw but still leaving themselves room to back down if May manages to pull something off. If she fails, we might see Labour go fully forward on SM access.

Again, just going off the Daily Mail, the levels of hate they're getting from people who voted Tory is a sight to behold...

Labour are officially backing SM access?

Yes but can you see why they're saying they do? And why they can't back down from that without undermining their entire government?

The mandate is a separate issue - the mandate is what they're using to legitimise what they're doing, and it comes from the 2017 election rather than the referendum. "85% of elected MPs came from parties backing leaving the EU" is being trotted out a lot. If the Tories could climb down from this, which in fairness, Labour would have to do also, I think they would. They can't because the public isn't ready yet, IMO. Still need more things to go wrong - problem for them is that these things will go wrong on their watch.

47% of them, apparently, put down immigration as their leading reason for voting out. I dunno, I get what you're saying I suppose but it feels like it's the main issue to me. Why do you think the government is refusing to turn this around then?

Right but you can see why a government seeking legitimacy would use this. I'm not saying I agree with them, I'm saying that I can see why they have nowhere else to go.

No it isn't. The 'people' want an end to freedom of movement. That's the thing this all hinges on. Staying in the single market, the Norway model, is an option that even Norway warned us was pointless.

Was that not their manifesto position?

I don't see how that's a hope or prayer tbh. I see that as the worst possible position we could be in. If the Tories could climb down from this without risking a generation in the electoral wilderness, I think they would do so.

I genuinely think that's because they face electoral annihilation with any other political line. Single Market access makes the whole thing pointless, and exposes them entirely.

Davis challenged to give MPs a free vote on single market access. Davis claiming that the government was elected on a mandate to take the UK out of the SM. That's clear to me actually. They can't let soft brexit happen now. To get to that point, we need the government to collapse, and for the country to go back to a GE.

Davis is being crucified from all sides, which is good. There's definitely a push being made here for soft Brexit though. From Labour and even some Tories. The fact that soft Brexit remains utterly pointless is Davis' line of defence, and he's right, but it might be that we need to just delude ourselves on this for the best possible outcome.

https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/938023361699045376 May has told the cabinet that she's very close to getting a deal. I've got a bad feeling about this, why would she be so confident if it was about to go tits up..

DUP seem to be throwing their weight behind the whole UK getting SM access...

Now we're getting somewhere.

Don't really know what this means, but Labour have been granted an 'urgent question' on Brexit, presumably to Davis, at 12.30pm.

I just prefer my victories to be absolute.

I fucking wish they were! I'd have this sorted within a few weeks

They're waiting for public opinion to shift, ewerk Have we gone full circle now?

Labour aren't going to go Remain until the tide of public opinion changes CT. People like you need to come out, quite publicly, and state you were wrong. The floor is yours.

I think this is CT's way of saying he wants a second referendum because he can see this is a fuck up of legendary proportions. Welcome CT. You arrived later than most, but you got here in the end.

Just trying to get my head around this actually, can you imagine the absolute devastation that CT's scenario would cause No deal with the EU, no one knows what's happening, sterling through the floor again, no sitting government and weeks needed to pull one together, stocks plummeting. It's not quite planes dropping out of the skies, but fuck me, it's not far off...