Rayvin

I mean like the price of everyone's Christmas dinner going through the roof. The public are too stupid for anything else.

True, it's a big gamble.

Yeah maybe. I mean I dunno. To be honest, I'm not being willfully blind to the possibility that he could just be exactly what you're saying. Weak and pro-Brexit. That's definitely a leading possibility.

I feel like it has to be something that kicks the public in the balls to be honest.

Labour has been hammering the government's handling of Brexit since the word go though. In fact, I could argue that they've been doing exactly what you've set out, and that the opinion polls turning against Brexit support this. Would be disingenuous as I don't actually know if it's true, but the argument could be made.

If that's the case then give it time - but now Renton has introduced narratives to the discussion, for the whole thing to fly politically, they'd still need an actual reason to have a second referendum. They still need something bad to happen (like, worse than what we've already seen).

Labour's narrative is anti-establishment - which is also Brexit's. They would have to recast Brexit as an establishment move for any such narrative to work. I don't see how they do that, at the moment. The establishment clearly hate Brexit.

42% who absolutely will vote to secure it. How many of the remaining 58% could we rely on to vote the other way? It needs a proper outcry man.

Ok, someone play out to me what you realistically think would have happened if Corbyn had used yesterday's budget announcement as a springboard to turn the tables on Brexit.

I'm struggling to imagine that even peak era Tony Blair could undo this just through sheer force of will tbh. People are expecting the impossible from Corbyn here. The public was given control of this, so for all that such a scenario should never have happened, we have to accept that it did. Only the public can back us out of this now.

I just don't see this. No one in politics, currently, has the ability or credibility to come out and oppose Brexit successfully. The public needs to turn against it first. Labour could come out and oppose it on principle, which is what you seem to want, but it would be irrelevant because 1 - they would never get into power on that basis and 2 - not getting into power would prevent them from actually being able to do anything useful about it anyway.

I dunno, you seem to think that Corbyn should harness what is basically an anti-establishment backlash by trying to derail it before the public is ready to do so. I think he has his own anti-establishment credentials which he has some traction with, but which need to run alongside Brexit unless an opportunity to recast the latter as an establishment play becomes available. He doesn't have the credibility with the disaffected to take on Brexit head on IMO. The people need to turn against it on their own first.

I'm more into strategy than leadership tbh. I'm also not hugely interested in partisan party politics, I just want the wider geopolitical outcome that prevents the collapse of Western civilisation

Quite possibly. I don't have all the answers on this, I'm just saying I wouldn't personally have chosen the budget as something to kick up over beyond pointing out the hypocrisy of the Tories borrowing £90bn from what I can only assume is a magic money tree.

The media wouldn't run with him on it though, he seems to get very few favours from them. He needs something the media go beserk over first, I would argue. When something directly affects the public in a way that can be seen and measured easily, and the public lose their shit, that's when he needs to capitalise. He really is only going to get one shot at this, and Hammond's budget doesn't strike me as the moment. If the moment never comes, we'll just Brexit, I guess. But I don't think he can create the storm for this, it needs to come from the public if any manner of credible u-turn on Brexit can be achieved.

Brazilled

There doesn't seem to be a significant media outcry about it. Don't think this is the moment.

You'd think more people would be interested in this given that it's a superior version of FIFA, but apparently no!

Yeah I saw that too. Don't worry, already over it.

No I don't, I'm a FTB. Had two false starts in the past year and... well everything else is complicated by the fact that I've started jettisoning various parts of my life now anyway. I'm probably just going to buy a flat and have done with it.

QF fucking T.

Holy fuck, the stamp duty thing though... a policy that will actually help me. Damn.

Dunno mind, if he can get them organised I think they can cut down the conceded goals. Having said that, they seem to be ravaged by injuries so who knows. If they hit League 1, you'd expect them to come straight back up but... Rodwell on £60/week in League 1...

Aye but they are scoring. IMO they just need to sort their defence out and they'll be looking at a steady climb. Granted they're unlikely to be able to do this until January, but I just don't see them being relegated in the end.

Still don't think they'll go down tbh... I know the numbers aren't favourable but they're not that far adrift (4 points I think?) and there is plenty of the season left to go.