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How trustworthy Craig Hope, I guess is the question EDIT - Ah Caulkin as well... ok maybe yes

Why anyone would think Nigel Farage had any idea about how any of this worked, is a mystery. He's a fucking nobody.

Aye, think you're clutching at straws here, Fish. If the takeover was limiting spending possibilities, someone would have just come out and said it...

The EU also confirmed yesterday that they would now push to make it legally binding, and Davis agreed with them. Unless I missed something?

Ah, I had forgotten that we were in the safe and capable hands of Liam Fox mind. That changes everything.

CT, you actually had a fairly reasonable position last week in asserting that if the trade deals were going to be shit (as it seems they will be, given that countries outside of the EU are pushing the EU to give us a deal no more favourable than the ones they have). Why have you reverted to blindly following Tory party lines that are being shot down left, right and centre. The notion that 'nothing is agreed until everything is agreed' died on its arse yesterday as Davis had to go crawling back to the EU to agree that we would have to legally recognise what was said.

Religion does complicate it. I think I would hope that over the course of the next 100-150 years (it would probably take even longer to get us to single global government tbh), religion would have died a death anyway. Unless it simply morphs into a cultural expression, in which case yeah, it might be insurmountable.

Probably true - I'm after one world governance anyway so whoever takes us there is fine by me. Don't see any other outcome for humanity in the long run. The more peaceful it is, the better, obviously.

Well, I lived there and saw it work. They'll outpace us all in the end, while we're squabbling about the social sciences.

Look at it man, you know as well as I fucking do that Brexit isn't actually what people wanted to lash out at. Sure, the EU may not be some great bastion of anything we should aspire to, but this is a fit of misdirected rage if ever there was one. We had a chance to harness that rage into something useful, and fucking look at what we did instead.

This isn't a new thing Parky, I've long been in favour of benevolent dictatorship. Besides, in that post you quoted I considered the general public to be far more capable and competent than the Tories You can't blame people for not understanding how things work, and relying on poisoned and toxic outlets and spin to vote on way or another. Successive governments raised us stupid and compliant, what else is there to say

At this point I don't even give a shit what the voters think. If Corbyn can get into government, he'll do a far better fucking job of this than the rabble of fucknuts we currently have in control. I base this on the fact that a collection of randoms taken from the street could probably also outperform the Tories.

A more positive take on Labour's strategy: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/12/brexit-jeremy-corbyn-keir-starmer-labour Corbyn has apparently been making regular trips to Brussels in order to forge relationships with key people in the negotiations, and Labour's overall strategy is one of keeping all options on the table to get the best outcome for the most people, rather than being hamstrung by the need to deliver something that will work for the Tory right wing. The only thing I would add is my standing position of the need to remain flexible in order to capitalise on any misstep that could bring down the government.

Never go full Wolfy, CT.

I think if I was going to counter this point, CT, I would ask this: If everything you said is true, why isn't the government singing about it from the rooftops? Who is actually saying any of that stuff? Apart from you.

I want to make clear that I'm posting this mostly in incredulity - but the True Geordie has now done a podcast with Robbie Williams... I actually think there's a danger he might get somewhere with this

I've never really said he wasn't eurosceptic tbh, the whole EU thing isn't why I wanted him as leader. I'm not saying he's the perfect iteration of what I want for the country you know, I just think he's necessary!

I have the beta - I'm freakishly lucky in it. I've played about 7 games in total (wasn't enough to swing me away from RL) and won 4 of them Good fun but needs a solid ranking system or something to make it more worthwhile.

I'm more than happy to talk about Corbyn Parky, I spent ages last week explaining what I think Labour's current strategy is for one thing. If I turn out to be wrong, I'm very comfortable saying so

True. I don't know what to say then, people are fucking stupid.

51% of people think Brexit is going badly. 21% think it's going well. At least the Tories will feel this.

Fucking Davis man. How is he still in a fucking job???

Yeah that remains to be seen though. They were clearly keen to avoid tarnishing their 'brand' last time out. They may think they'll get control of the party back if Corbyn fails this time, so they still may take a very backseat role. But yeah, would be nice to see them come out swinging.

Still think if a GE shows up on the horizon, Labour should win it. The poll that came closest to predicting the outcome of the last GE is the one that has Labour 8 points ahead as well. If they mobilise the youth vote, they'll win. Especially since they were on the defensive last time. That said, I don't think we will get a GE any time soon.

How could anyone be stupid enough to possibly thing that a country of 60million people would stand a chance against a trade bloc of 500million people, from an economic perspective. Fucking ludicrous. This for me is the unwillingness to accept being wrong. Moving goalposts are always a sign of that.