Rayvin

Tbh CT I'm not blind to that realisation. In fact I was just reading through RTG's thread on these developments as they have a wider range of spread in terms of Leavers and Remainers. From what I can tell though, the Leavers look decidedly nervous about that was announced, and there seems to be some sneaking acceptance that they may be about to get shafted. They're being defiant of course, but reading between the lines, you can see the caveats and 'get out clauses' being put into the posts. The prevailing wisdom seems to be that surely, the NI issue can be resolved. But has anyone in government said anything remotely constructive on this point yet? I'm not going to risk a good outcome and may head to the EU before the UK crashes out, but it's still encouraging.

Who'd have thought that the Good Friday Agreement would come to be one of the most important political documents for this country across two different events in two different centuries. Funny how the world works.

Paul Joseph Watson parody. Love it.

I think this basically chimes with what I've said but with some wider implications concerning Britain's view of itself. Agree with that bit too.

Thanks lads, for the breakdown. Does feel like the Tories are just trying to drip feed the bitter truth that very little is going to change at the moment. There's always the chance they'll pull something horrifying in the end, but I guess self interest might prevent that.

So we're currently fairly optimistic, right? On the grounds that the only viable alternative to broadly remaining in the same position as we are, is total freefall with no deal?

I see - I don't mind if they fudge FOM as long as the overall outcome remains broadly the same as the status quo. Let's hope the Irish really do save us here.

Is there any realistic chance of Freedom of Movement remaining?

Ok thanks. The first bit looks totally impossible to agree to since 'signing trade deals with non-EU countries' is one of the main points of this farce. And agreed on the second one. So we may as well stay in the Single Market, arguably? We'd just have to accept freedom of movement.

There is no way we're dividing GB and NI. Surely?

Is that actually true though? Are we actually going to be in the single market? Will freedom of movement remain in NI (and therefore UK)?

I mean our record win is 13-0 right? I find that interesting to think about every now and again If someone told me that we had a 10 game win streak against Middlesbrough, I don't think I'd care at all. It's like one of those facts they put in pre-match rambles to try and give a sense of history to the whole affair.

I think they can get away with the 9-1 tbh, isn't it their club's record win? And against their bitter rivals too. I mean I feel no shame about it or whatever but I get that it's something that they would cling on to. The 6 in a row bit makes way less sense to me. At least two of those games they were lucky as fuck, and as others have said, if it had been the other way around, I don't think I would have given it a moment's thought beyond just thinking "huh, that's an interesting statistic". I would be, and am, far more interested in our rival (if you can even call them that) club being relegated into oblivion.

I have one but really it's just to have a footprint for people to be able to contact me through. I don't do anything with it whatsoever apart from check messages. The data thing is disturbing if you think too much about it but really, they know fucking everything already man - we're trying to close the stable door after the horse has bolted now.

That sounds like the sort of thing that, if I said it, you woulda jumped down my throat for

what do we think it probably is? I appreciate that photo is taken probably when 2-0 down, but it honestly doesn't look like there's more than 2000 tops at the far side... less than 10k in the stadium based on that?

Just watched the goal clips. Those players don't give a fuck, clearly. And ffs they don't even have any fans there. It's a sea of empty seats. The whole club is basically screaming "Kill me now".

Don't generally have a lot of time for Owen but fucking hell he ripped them a new one there. Top marks.

Is it meant to be a joke in a really obvious way, or have they just dropped it into a report without comment?

Trying to work out why "certain posters" jump on your comments...

Not jealous of their fans for the away trip...

The Guardian published an article the other day one how it could be that Putin is testing how much solidarity remains in the West, and I could maybe see it from that point of view. The UK having isolated itself from all of its friends thanks to Brexit and Trump, it does make sense to target us. Kinda worrying though, if we become the testing ground for what Putin can and can't get away with. Suddenly starting to think that Trident may be worthwhile after all...

If he had done it in the US then fair enough, but the UK? We're fucking nobodies. And moreover, the guy is still alive. How does that make him look good? In fairness I don't know his chances or how long this is supposed to take, but still. What if the West responded by pulling their teams out of the WC? He'd look like a fucking idiot. What if we clamped down on the oligarchs? For the sake of winning an election, is it worth it? And also - if we know that he's doing this, why are we even bothering to respond? We're giving him exactly what he wants, and nothing we're doing is remotely meaningful in hurting him. So are we not just playing to his tune?

Enlighten me?

When did this board get so sensitive?