Rayvin

Carlisle are midtable in L2, so no. Shrewsbury will be a league above them though!

I think as a city, Sunderland is a place that is devoid of hope generally. No surprise that they accept their lot in football as they accept their lot in life.

Aye stuff like that they can resolve without having to tackle the main issue, and it would make a significant difference. On the wider issue, I don't think it'll ever happen.

It'll just go underground though - then you'll have organised crime in total control of gun ownership. Prohibition all over again surely? They might need a widespread cultural shift against guns first tbh... really not sure what the answer is. And I don't see that cultural shift coming at all.

There's a thread on RTG at the moment trying to determine when things went wrong - and it's framed as if it could only either have been with Moyes or Grayson. A few of them seem astute enough to look further back, with Di Fanti being the true source it seems (rubbish recruitment genuinely does seem to have been their achilles heel). Moyes is proving with West ham that he has enough about him to keep a club up if given the resources. Grayson wasn't given a chance in hell really, same for Coleman (not that either are very good). What gets me though is the crazed belief some of them have that they were going to really kick on under Allardyce of all people. As if he wasn't desperately looking for a way out when England came calling...

Aye true - I doubt the club really considered this possible. I would think so - plus Sunderland may very well want to offload them anyway.

Probably not but if they go down again, would they not get another 40% cut or something. With one notable exception.

Aye but have they been looking around for clubs at the bottom end of the championship? Probably not, but I suspect they'd take that over League 1 next season.

Tbh I saw a good post on there the other day that summed it up well. Managers aside, they took a team which was relegated pretty comprehensively from the PL last year, sold two of its best players, and loaned out all the other decent ones. No fucking mystery that they ended up at the foot of the Championship on that evidence. You have to wonder how many of the current crop of players will stay when they fall into League 1 as well. Oviedo must see himself as above that. Cattermole possibly, shit as he is. O'Shea? How many will actually stick around for League 1...

I think they'd get national press if they hit administration tbh. As for the players, the one out on loan maybe more than £10m. In terms of what they actually have in their first team, they seem pretty dire.

What kind of decision? Like he might let them hit administration in order to cut his losses? His background is in asset stripping businesses or something like that right? I could actually see him making a brutal decision here, although the press would go ballistic I suspect.

Suppose that's true. I can't see them hitting administration though, not really. I mean I think that's what we all have in the back of our minds, but are they really run that badly? Would Short even let that happen?

I thought they were scaled down each year, but it should still be sizeable by League 1 standards. If they offload their loan players for a few 10s of million and pick up the parachute payments, they probably will be ok. I mean that external debt costs them £10m per season or something like that, right? I suppose most of the parachute will go into paying off the external debt though. I imagine more austerity will follow in spending.

What the fuck? Did you get permanently banned from RTG? Or has all of this suddenly become too much to hold in? Decent post though. I do wonder what will happen to them.

But if tomorrow is so important, can't you just check into a hotel for one night to make sure you're well rested. Not selfish really, considering. I don't fully grasp the situation though. Hope all works out anyway.

Hotel?

If we can just keep performance levels up, we should take Bournemouth. Manage that and I think we can rattle along safely for the rest of the season without getting overly concerned about relegation. We're away so they should attack us, and that should allow for our counterattacking to come into its own.

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...unbelievable that someone this incompetent is where he is.

I sat through the whole thing - didn't improve and was a let down. Fucking bizarre trying to pull it into some kind of alignment with the original Cloverfield which it patently wasn't written to have anything to do with.

Aye, with their GD as it is, they're effectively 4 points from safety at the moment. I cannot get my head around the fact that they're actually as shit as they are.

Actually yeah, I forgot it was him. Does make more sense now.

WBA certainly look like they're on their way out. Not entirely sure how that has happened tbh, they've been a relatively stable club for some time.

Ah so it was more fortunate circumstance than grit and determination? Makes sense.