Rayvin

Nothing will happen.

I don't even know what they're supposed to have done in the past two weeks.

I guess publicly discussed is pushing it - it was raised in 2015 but the media didn't care at that point I suppose - plenty of other ways to take him down I guess: https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/did-jeremy-corbyn-back-artist-whose-mural-was-condemned-as-antisemitic-1.62106

It was publicly discussed back in 2015?

I was tempted to mention this actually, given that Berger seems to be a driving force behind this. If she cared so much about the issue, why has she waited until now to kick this off? Probably because she cares more about getting rid of Corbyn than she does about anti-semitism. Or am I just being too cynical again?

After the years of constant nonsense that's been thrown at Corbyn to take him out, I'm as cynical as I need to be. If the press and politicians have an issue with it I'm tempted to say that if they hadn't cried wolf baselessly the other several thousand times Corbyn had allegedly turned traitor, supported terrorists, wanted to turn the UK into Venezuela, etc I would have far more patience with them now. If CT wants to know why many young people aren't paying enough attention to this, it's because Corbyn has actually started to become immune to this media shitstorm because we've had so many, and the vast, vast majority have been patent nonsense. As for your last point, I would go further. I don't think Corbyn does see it as a problem that needs to be addressed. I suspect his view on it is that it's a trumped up media outrage by his enemies. While this is similar to my view, I have the luxury of being able to believe that without any consequences if I am wrong. He does not, and should seriously review the evidence and make the findings of any investigation clear.

I wrote that the way I did because I don't believe for one second that anyone currently talking about this in the press or at the political level, actually considers the resolution to this problem to be the primary reason for talking about it.

I don't know if that constitutes evidence of cause though, nor does it determine which of those three groups is the most prevalent actor. I mean I agree that it will be a mixture of the three. Generally agree on the rest of your point.

Fair enough. People are abused and threatened because of their religion all the time on Twitter mind, I don't think that's the line we should be taking here. The hard left seem to have no more significant an issue with Jews as the hard right tbh, but I guess since everyone has decided Labour are now 'hard left', they are damned by association more than the Tories would be for far right issues. I still think this is a storm in a teacup to distract from the Tories generally fucking up everything at the moment, but I'm prepared to accept that Corbyn is bringing much of this on himself by simply not playing the game with the media here and making a 'show' of dealing with the issue.

First off, thank you for actually delivering some evidence of something. It would be interesting to know the source of these attacks. I suspect a lot of them come from the Islamic community (I base this anecdotally on my time living in Bradford where I was often verbally abused for being Jewish, not that I actually am). Does it break them down into demographics? Probably too polarising to do so I suppose but it would be interesting. So anti-semitism is rising in general, the evidence for that looks plain. On that basis Corbyn should make a statement of intent irrespective of how bad things appear to be in his own party. But that said, is the increase in anti-semitism out of step with the increase in hate crimes in general? How do we know these aren't being perpetuated by the right? Why aren't the police dealing with this?

I'm not saying it's not newsworthy. I'm saying that it's been a rolling headline for about 3 weeks which is making it comparable to the death of Jo Cox. And as far as I can see (until corrected, which I have asked for repeatedly), the issues being raised are Twitter threats - which I discount immediately on the grounds that Twitter is full of absolute charlatans on all sides of the political spectrum, and that far, far, far more violence is likely threatened by the right against black people, muslims, women and yes, even Jews. I suspect Corbyn's view on the scale of the problem is not in line with the media's. He suspended both of those individuals immediately as I recall and a full investigation was carried out. So if we consider that the media's line on this is the correct one, then no he's not taking this seriously.

I don't know if it has, I suspect we're talking about a few individuals at best. Does anyone have any actual evidence of ANYTHING to do with this?

I would say Muslims are closer to that than Jews are in the current UK. We just had "Bash a Muslim day" or something like that from the far right. The anti-semitic sentiment of the nazis becoming mainstream started with Germany being economically devastated by the way, and couldn't have happened without it - so in fairness to you, I guess with brexit looming there is a higher chance of a far right uprising gaining widespread public backing. It's not going to come from the left though. You know the nazis weren't left wing, right?

Nah, I shouldn't have gotten wound up there. Weird life circumstances atm. Don't know if I agree on the coverage here. I mean we have rising knife crime in London and quite a lot of "on the ground" uproar about it - links to police cuts, failed Tory policies that are actually getting people killed. This is getting less attention than anti-semitism at the moment. Can someone set out what the anti-semitic things to have happened are, as perhaps I'm missing something. To my knowledge we have: 1 - Twitter being full of keyboard warriors and threatening violence. I disregard this as it happens across the political spectrum to almost everyone in the public eye, and I can't imagine there's any way of knowing for sure that those involved are actually Labour members. 2 - A dead bird. 3 - A mural with questionable intent. I suppose the bird is a health risk but other than that, what actual harm or serious potential harm has befallen anyone? Have the police been involved in any of these incidents? Have arrests been made?

I developed this impression of them when they buried a story about a graphics design company modifying footage of UK forces carrying out some manner of unacceptable action in the Iraq war. I'll try and find a reference to it (I think it was discussed on here at the time). Difficult when the main papers don't carry it though... It's not exactly evidence of widespread bias, but a friend of mine sent me this the other day: https://theintercept.com/2015/10/26/bbc-protects-uks-close-ally-saudi-arabia-with-incredibly-dishonest-and-biased-editing/

Aye we were hugely overreacting to the results around December Surprised at Trooper not being here recently to enjoy the positivity mind. I guess he mostly uses this place to complain

Apologies for this, having a rough day. I dont claim to have the right of this I'm just doing what i can to make sense of the world.

Yep, sounds bad. Should be sorted out. I don't know what Corbyn is doing with this, I'm really not paying attention anymore. I'm was just making a point about proportionate coverage. Tbh, maybe it's a bigger deal on here than the news?

Yeah, you would think more at the government (as with what the media in the US have done) rather than the opposition. I don't have the energy to debate this utterly depressing charade anymore. If you're satisfied with the bollocks you're being fed, more power to you.

Go on then, who else was paying attention?

Should be tackled with coverage proportionate to the size of the problem.

When the whole thing fell apart, the only sides paying attention to anyone outside of the politician/media bubble were the moderate left (Corbyn) and the moderate to far right (Farage). I chose Mod-left. As I've said before, I would welcome a return to a reformed centre.

See the next post. I woulda stuck with Nu-Labour if they'd just opposed the insanity of Austerity. The scale of the problem anti-semitism represents, changes radically when you consider whether or not there is violence. The far right have anti-Jew rallies in the US - this is a problem. Have we had anything approximating any such thing over here? It's insane that this is getting the coverage that it is. We have a bigger problem with Islamophobia on the right ffs.

Wow, I'm surprisingly consistent.

At the risk of trying to sound like I'm calling it after the fact, I knew where austerity would take us (widespread lower middle/working class unrest) and it delivered us Brexit. Labour capitulated on austerity and I lost faith in them. Agree on Miliband blow for blow against the Tories, but he delivered us Brexit as much as Cameron did IMO. Or the sides of his party that wouldn't let him oppose austerity did anyway.