Rayvin

Yeah i dont think any if them think that way after what we saw with Brexit. Corbyn was opposed by the centre left on the basis that he was unelectable, not because of his policies. So they would look like massive hypocrites now to change that.

So you think they would choose a Tory victory? Would just confirm everything that has been said really.

Ask yourself what platform they stand on to launch this party, and I suspect you'll have the answer as to why it hasn't happened yet. Research shows that if people look at policies alone, they choose a collection of ideas that are more left wing than where Labour are presently. So they aren't going to have policy to rely on. They'd have to go for 'compassionate realism'. And honestly, isn't that what the Lib Dems are doing? It isn't working. The only thing a centre left party could do, is split Labour's vote and gift the Tories another election win. Everyone on the left knows this. Why would any of us choose it?

Whether it creates jobs or not depends entirely on how it is done. Either way though, job creation is the most significant thing he can offer to buy votes at this point. And if he stands there and claims he has protected US industries then a trade war and isolationism are compelling arguments at face value.

Yeah but I was reading one of their threads on that, and some of them think this would never happen because of their external debt. That company, SCP or whatever they are, wouldn't let them hit administration until the summer, so that they can sell off players and collect parachute payments first. So from a financial standpoint it doesn't make sense to do it now. Also understand that if they don't hit administration this month, then the penalty is applied next season anyway.

The centre left is having to choose between being Tory or being actual left. In the same way that centre-left voters are. For the same reason that Labour can't really just abandon Corbynism now, the centre left can't just up sticks and try to offer something else. For one thing, they'll find the Tories are sitting firmly where they used to on many issues, and for another, there is no compelling narrative for them to do this with. The Lib Dems tried with Brexit and Remain and were obliterated once again. On the left, Corbyn is the only game in town, and he has at least another election to prove this - especially now that the party seems to have forced some concessions from him on Brexit.

Agreed, but if it creates jobs he'll be crowing about it going into the next election cycle - and he could be short termist enough for that to be sufficient.

Right but if other countries start reciprocal measures, I suspect it will spill into other industries as well. I just think that isolationism is his goal, and to do that, you need a degree of self sufficiency that they probably don't have at the moment. This self sufficiency creates jobs, even if they lose out in many other senses.

He'll be thinking it will push job creation on the home front though - which it will. And that's what wins votes I guess. The rest of the world can probably continue to trade without them fairly easily though, so it may be that the worst of it falls on the US. And probably the UK, thanks to fucking Brexit.

You'd imagine Coleman will continue with them in League 1 tbh, but aye he isn't great. Stupid decision by him really. Tbh I would expect them to bounce straight back up from League 1, but if they hit administration and start with a 15 point penalty, it could be tough going.

Some of them seem to think this is a clear sign ahead of Administration as well. What is really interesting about Sunderland as opposed to other clubs that have gone a similar way, is that if you look at Portsmouth or Leeds, they were spending well above their means and just collapsed. Sunderland arguably weren't, they just made consistently stupid decision after stupid decision. Ricky Alvarez, the Adam Johnson fiasco, Rodwell, £20m on N'dong, and the most terrible transfer record of probably any team in the PL era. Coupled with shit managers, zero actual ambition, and a fairweather fanbase... and they are where they are. They're just run horrifically from top to bottom.

Capacity down to about 35k. And they're presently getting attendances of sub 25k. Atmosphere is still going to be poor...

Oh god that's painful. She's never let her hair down in her life, has she? Like in the election when she was asked if she had ever done anything socially unacceptable or whatever it was, and it transpired that one time, she ran through a field. Fucking hell.

It's actually a really good example of that

Yeah but ewerk's showed up with the headline and "BREAKING NEWS" all over it. Yours was just a link. Not that no one listens, more that no one opens dry links, I suppose.

The Daily Mail is going to go fucking ballistic.

Aye, you need something. The game doesn't really do anything for you in this respect.

Really sorry for your loss HF. Best wishes to you and your family.

Also gonna stick this in here because I'm vain:

This has been fascinating.

At the end of each game you can "save the replay". Saves the whole match though, and tbh I cut mine down using Nvidea's built in recording tool.

There is surely no conceivable way we will hit 'no deal'. How the fuck does that scenario fix the Ireland issue anyway?

Think he mentioned being a pro previously, but that's the first I've seen of him being ex-Newcastle. Tbf though, not sure it makes a difference given how Jenas' opinions were being torn apart on here a few days back. This place calls bullshit for what it is, generally

Always enjoyable when Ant turns the guns on someone. BTW that 90% remark wasn't suggesting that we hound people out - it's just that not everyone can make the cut to post here They tend to leave of their own accord once they realise this.