Rayvin

Just caught up with this - I think I saw an article about 'online violence' that made similar points. While it's easy to dismiss (and usually you can skip death animations anyway) I can see why it bothers some people. Not that I play a lot of shooters, but you hardly ever see people do this anyway.

Nope. The Tories seem fine with having hard right fuckwits, so I'm fine with the overenthusiastic leftists. Sorry.

What makes you think that this was Corbynistas? The far right, as I recall, are anti-interventionist.

I think if the Syrians used Chemweps then we should take out their facilities for doing so, but we should absolutely not get dragged into a wider conflict. We will though, because the Tories are fucking insane. Can see Corbyn's point if this inadvertently triggers WW3 as well though. Or if the Russians respond by annihilating civilians.

Been away for a few days, has anyone brought up this^

I hope we end up centrist but now isnt the time. Theyre only going to split the left and entrench the Tories. Which is the only reason they exist.

Snowflaking

So it seems an assortment of millionaire fuckheads are establishing a new party of 'the centre' in the latest bid by the rich to do anything they possibly can to prevent a left wing victory. I predict this new party will get far more coverage than it deserves.

Fucking get in!

You have at least been around for a while. Although its unusual to see Dan in an argument with another poster tbh.

If Spurs go in for him, we should be asking for at least £50m.

Was thinking the loan market tbf. They could still arguably pull decent players based on the fact they were a PL outfit 2 years ago. I suspect the drop off in standard from the Championship to League One is significant but I've never had to pay attention to League One before. So I could be wrong.

I think the size of the club will start to be significant in League One. They're a bigger club than Blackburn and Wigan, and will require far less spending to win L1 than they would have to stay up in the Championship. But sure, they could fail. I hope they do. But I'm not counting on it.

Right but, that sounds like a medium to long term strategy. I do get that they would make more money if they were to do the same sorts of things, but that has to be at least a 3-5 year pay off. They're in financial peril way before anything like that comes in to save them. I honestly think they'd need to be back in the PL in order to be financially sustainable enough to make that strategy feasible. And again, how much money would that take? If Short doesn't think they're going back to the PL any time soon, I don't think League One or the Championship makes any difference to him. Especially when you consider that they probably will be promoted from L1 at first time of asking, and that they will be less burdened by their PL era wages. And like I said, Short might well be a billionaire, but it's unlikely he has spare tens of millions kicking around in bank accounts. It'll all be tied up in businesses. Those businesses might be performing well - why pull out of successful ventures to free up funding for Sunderland?

Which players could the mackems sell for large profits, exactly? Have you considered as well that Short simply might not have the liquid assets to do this? Same as Ashley. He will have made the best decision possible with the information at his disposal.

He's selling the club for nothing though. All he's asking is that someone takes on the debt. And I don't see that the club is hugely less attractive being in League 1 with £150m of debt than it is in the Championship with £180m of debt. At the end of the day, the man isn't an idiot - he's a successful businessman who made his money in asset stripping iirc. I'm tempted to think he knows what he's doing, and is surrounded by some very savvy financial people. The idea that they looked at January and just blithely dismissed the likelihood of being relegated for the sake of saving a few million because they didn't/couldn't appreciate that falling into League One will make the club harder to sell, without some pretty solid reasoning, is bizarre.

Is he trying to accumulate? He's trying to get out as far as I can see. I think he's putting the minimum amount of money in that he can in order to sell as soon as possible. The more money he 'loans' the club, the more potential buyers have to pay for it, and the less likely he is to get his sale.

He must be looking at them and thinking administration is very possible. If that's true, why increase his level of exposure? It'd be fucking mental to do so. The club isn't sustainable, he can't keep throwing his own money at it and papering over the cracks, it needs significant, structural change.

I'd argue that the man has to stop throwing money in at some point, and given that the club already owes him about £100m and he has no real affinity for it, that the time has come. They stood no chance of promotion next season even with parachute payments, primarily because the parachute payments, along with Short's money, are being used to keep the place afloat. The matter has moved out of the arena of football, and is now just financial. We know this is correct because you're basically saying that you think the man has gambled incorrectly due to incompetence, despite having spent plenty of his own money in the past - and I'm saying that he's looked at the cold facts of the matter and concluded that spending more money now will only see him lose more in the long run. He's backed the 'football' decisions before, and they've landed him in this mess. It's a business decision, and it was the right one. He might even be able to ship out a few high contract players as a result of the drop to League One. They already have reduced attendances, reduced player sale revenues need to be stood against reduced transfer fees, and I don't think commercial revenue will change that significantly since the championship makes a fraction of what the PL does in this respect anyway.

How much is relegation from the Championship to League One actually going to cost him? I bet it won't be as much as £30m.

Not just the Corbynistas, also the Daily Mail comment sections and most right thinking people

Leaving the NUFC stuff to the side for now, since it'll inevitably come up later, I totally get Short's position on this. At some point you have to cut your losses - he's thrown fucking loads of money at Sunderland over the years and they just keep sinking. He has a high interest loan of what, £80m or something, falling due in 2019... it sounds like he's propping them up to the tune of £500k/week anyway... They are fucked. He isn't going to save them. He'd be fucking mad to do so.

The case appears to be that we can't confirm that it came from Russia. Not yet at least. All I'm saying is that maybe we should have approached this with a considered, and evidence supported assessment. And potentially have said what the truth is. That it is highly likely that Russia was behind it, but that we don't actually fucking know. What we said instead, was:

I had to search for it on the Daily Mail, but at least their comment sections are ripping Johnson a new one.

I don't watch RT at all. And I do think it is probably Russia, even though I still don't see what they stand to gain really given how this has gone. But it's interesting that had we followed Corbyn's example, we'd look a lot less fucking stupid now.