Rayvin

Aye, guess so. Unsure about the bit with other teams though - Southampton looked very poor against us. I can only assume WBA must have been even more insipid on more than one occasion. But perhaps you're right.

I don't remember thinking we were going down at any point though... Maybe because of how shit many of the other teams were.

4 defeats, one draw, 4 more defeats. Dismal that

I was exaggerating tbh but not by much.

Surely at this point it's no less believable than May as PM and Johnson as FS?

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

3 weeks rolling coverage, debate in the house of commons about integrity in politics with recommendations that Labour gets its house in order, and probably a backbench led vote of no confidence in his leadership.

I quite like this guy's stuff Broadly my position on it.

There was absolutely no chance of anyone resigning over this. Zero. The Tories don't fucking care and are shored up by Brexit supporting, anti-immigrant voters. No fucking chance at all.

There seem to be a lot of Everton fans saying things like "Yeah we knew he was pragmatic rather than pretty in his football style, but we didn't realise it was this bad..." Fat Sam is vindicating our views on him throughout more clubs as time goes on.

I figured it was ahead of the local elections but now I'm starting to think Berger might just be a useful idiot for the Tories.

No it isn't. They thought they could take him out with other means so no one cared. Now it seems to be the only option left so it's a big deal.

Nothing will happen.

I don't even know what they're supposed to have done in the past two weeks.

I guess publicly discussed is pushing it - it was raised in 2015 but the media didn't care at that point I suppose - plenty of other ways to take him down I guess: https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/did-jeremy-corbyn-back-artist-whose-mural-was-condemned-as-antisemitic-1.62106

It was publicly discussed back in 2015?

I was tempted to mention this actually, given that Berger seems to be a driving force behind this. If she cared so much about the issue, why has she waited until now to kick this off? Probably because she cares more about getting rid of Corbyn than she does about anti-semitism. Or am I just being too cynical again?

After the years of constant nonsense that's been thrown at Corbyn to take him out, I'm as cynical as I need to be. If the press and politicians have an issue with it I'm tempted to say that if they hadn't cried wolf baselessly the other several thousand times Corbyn had allegedly turned traitor, supported terrorists, wanted to turn the UK into Venezuela, etc I would have far more patience with them now. If CT wants to know why many young people aren't paying enough attention to this, it's because Corbyn has actually started to become immune to this media shitstorm because we've had so many, and the vast, vast majority have been patent nonsense. As for your last point, I would go further. I don't think Corbyn does see it as a problem that needs to be addressed. I suspect his view on it is that it's a trumped up media outrage by his enemies. While this is similar to my view, I have the luxury of being able to believe that without any consequences if I am wrong. He does not, and should seriously review the evidence and make the findings of any investigation clear.

I wrote that the way I did because I don't believe for one second that anyone currently talking about this in the press or at the political level, actually considers the resolution to this problem to be the primary reason for talking about it.

I don't know if that constitutes evidence of cause though, nor does it determine which of those three groups is the most prevalent actor. I mean I agree that it will be a mixture of the three. Generally agree on the rest of your point.

Fair enough. People are abused and threatened because of their religion all the time on Twitter mind, I don't think that's the line we should be taking here. The hard left seem to have no more significant an issue with Jews as the hard right tbh, but I guess since everyone has decided Labour are now 'hard left', they are damned by association more than the Tories would be for far right issues. I still think this is a storm in a teacup to distract from the Tories generally fucking up everything at the moment, but I'm prepared to accept that Corbyn is bringing much of this on himself by simply not playing the game with the media here and making a 'show' of dealing with the issue.

First off, thank you for actually delivering some evidence of something. It would be interesting to know the source of these attacks. I suspect a lot of them come from the Islamic community (I base this anecdotally on my time living in Bradford where I was often verbally abused for being Jewish, not that I actually am). Does it break them down into demographics? Probably too polarising to do so I suppose but it would be interesting. So anti-semitism is rising in general, the evidence for that looks plain. On that basis Corbyn should make a statement of intent irrespective of how bad things appear to be in his own party. But that said, is the increase in anti-semitism out of step with the increase in hate crimes in general? How do we know these aren't being perpetuated by the right? Why aren't the police dealing with this?

I'm not saying it's not newsworthy. I'm saying that it's been a rolling headline for about 3 weeks which is making it comparable to the death of Jo Cox. And as far as I can see (until corrected, which I have asked for repeatedly), the issues being raised are Twitter threats - which I discount immediately on the grounds that Twitter is full of absolute charlatans on all sides of the political spectrum, and that far, far, far more violence is likely threatened by the right against black people, muslims, women and yes, even Jews. I suspect Corbyn's view on the scale of the problem is not in line with the media's. He suspended both of those individuals immediately as I recall and a full investigation was carried out. So if we consider that the media's line on this is the correct one, then no he's not taking this seriously.

I don't know if it has, I suspect we're talking about a few individuals at best. Does anyone have any actual evidence of ANYTHING to do with this?

I would say Muslims are closer to that than Jews are in the current UK. We just had "Bash a Muslim day" or something like that from the far right. The anti-semitic sentiment of the nazis becoming mainstream started with Germany being economically devastated by the way, and couldn't have happened without it - so in fairness to you, I guess with brexit looming there is a higher chance of a far right uprising gaining widespread public backing. It's not going to come from the left though. You know the nazis weren't left wing, right?