Rayvin

You've got to love how we express concern and sympathy for community members on here.

Yeah, seriously, this will be because of government pressure. If they go all out on Brexit then the Tories and the Brexiteer public will savage it. It is a state owned news channel, as much as we like to think it is untouchable.

Have to say I agree that all these ideas should be pushed out into the open for public scrutiny. Having said that PL is right that these guys don't get nearly enough pressure when they're on these shows. Maybe because if that pressure existed, they wouldn't do them at all though. Perhaps it's better to unleash the hounds after the event.

I was talking about Renton

The centre itself now losing faith in the MSM apparently. I actually do have some sympathy with the BBC on the grounds that they are, presumably, attempting to demonstrate a lack of bias at a time where a Tory government whose future hinges entirely on Brexit is presumably quite ready and willing to put them under tighter and tighter scrutiny. But being sympathetic with them doesn't mean I trust them.

The problems will just become more entrenched. The strange-hold on information will continue as they curtail the internet over time. Ultimately, we get the shit our stupidity deserves.

Tbf, was just reading what they think of this over on a Villa forum and I'm amazed to see that they fucking love the guy. So I actually think he'll get away with it. Must have had a good season for them.

... Why Alex, just why.

Wasn't criticising the job tbf mate, was actually just putting forward the views some of your fellow cabbies have articulated to me in the past two years.

I get what you're saying, but say it's true - He's probably lost many thousands to immigration (albeit not necessarily EU immigration). So £900 for Brexit, in his case alone, may be a price worth paying.

Fair point, and I guess one of the key fallacies of the vote leave campaign - unless these people are moving to Europe and then on to the UK under FOM. I don't really know where our immigration primarily comes from in truth, but I would imagine that the ignorance around the issue would be a source of leave voting.

The taxi driver thing though - the drivers I speak to regularly complain about an over supply of labour in the market now, especially since the council recently got rid of the 'locality test' thing that I suppose previously would have meant that low skilled foreign workers couldn't just come in and start immediately. The advent of the GPS system and the free supply of labour do genuinely appear to have hit the taxi drivers hard - for the maximisation of profits at the top, I guess. So, in fairness to CT, he probably does have a reason to want FOM to stop over and above the rest of us. £900 worse off a year probably doesn't compare to the drop in income he has experienced in real earnings over the past 10 years or so. However, I would argue that the more obvious problem is actually the council, who by dropping locality tests have effectively removed any concept of 'skill' from the work. This is the free market though, and it is Tory economic policy 101. Also, I'm mindful of the fact I'm just putting words in his mouth here, his experience may well have been different - but I could understand this point, were he to ever make it, as a reason for voting out.

I'm thankful I'm not as informed enough about Brexit's machinations to be involved in this, because it looks deeply irritating.

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Yeah but the leader is voted by members. So whoever the 'power behind the throne' is, they have to convince the membership to vote for someone else.

Who is they? The PLP wont be spoiling for that fight again.

Was this deliberately ironic or just amusingly ironic?

CT is on superb form with Brexit recently, it has to be said

I forget I'm not alone on here sometimes.

Well true but that means that, as Gloom mentioned earlier, we should just re-do the referendum and stay in properly. Presumably that's the least bad option going.

So all of the possible deals were hated, but the Norway one the least so. Well fair enough. On the basis of that, I would agree that Corbyn is likely pushing for what he is on the basis of being a hard Brexiter himself.

Link to support that claim? If it's true, then sure, it should be on the table and Corbyn should back it.

Ah, so history won't treat me kindly I have never voted for a government that won, but somehow, this is all my fault. Utter bollocks.

I'm saying there's nothing he can do until it all falls apart. The problem with that option is that it may not fall apart. If you listen to certain leave voters, they absolutely did vote to make the country worse off, because that was the price of freedom. You need a very compelling line on FOM to sell the Norway option.

The Norway option is Brexit in name only. It still has FOM, which IMO is the thing people will look to when judging whether or not we have actually left. Also, even Norway said the Norway option is a bad outcome - admittedly that was compared to staying in altogether, but still. Could he win a GE on a Norway model footing? I doubt it. It's depressing, but there it is.