Rayvin

I'm not saying it's not newsworthy. I'm saying that it's been a rolling headline for about 3 weeks which is making it comparable to the death of Jo Cox. And as far as I can see (until corrected, which I have asked for repeatedly), the issues being raised are Twitter threats - which I discount immediately on the grounds that Twitter is full of absolute charlatans on all sides of the political spectrum, and that far, far, far more violence is likely threatened by the right against black people, muslims, women and yes, even Jews. I suspect Corbyn's view on the scale of the problem is not in line with the media's. He suspended both of those individuals immediately as I recall and a full investigation was carried out. So if we consider that the media's line on this is the correct one, then no he's not taking this seriously.

I don't know if it has, I suspect we're talking about a few individuals at best. Does anyone have any actual evidence of ANYTHING to do with this?

I would say Muslims are closer to that than Jews are in the current UK. We just had "Bash a Muslim day" or something like that from the far right. The anti-semitic sentiment of the nazis becoming mainstream started with Germany being economically devastated by the way, and couldn't have happened without it - so in fairness to you, I guess with brexit looming there is a higher chance of a far right uprising gaining widespread public backing. It's not going to come from the left though. You know the nazis weren't left wing, right?

Nah, I shouldn't have gotten wound up there. Weird life circumstances atm. Don't know if I agree on the coverage here. I mean we have rising knife crime in London and quite a lot of "on the ground" uproar about it - links to police cuts, failed Tory policies that are actually getting people killed. This is getting less attention than anti-semitism at the moment. Can someone set out what the anti-semitic things to have happened are, as perhaps I'm missing something. To my knowledge we have: 1 - Twitter being full of keyboard warriors and threatening violence. I disregard this as it happens across the political spectrum to almost everyone in the public eye, and I can't imagine there's any way of knowing for sure that those involved are actually Labour members. 2 - A dead bird. 3 - A mural with questionable intent. I suppose the bird is a health risk but other than that, what actual harm or serious potential harm has befallen anyone? Have the police been involved in any of these incidents? Have arrests been made?

I developed this impression of them when they buried a story about a graphics design company modifying footage of UK forces carrying out some manner of unacceptable action in the Iraq war. I'll try and find a reference to it (I think it was discussed on here at the time). Difficult when the main papers don't carry it though... It's not exactly evidence of widespread bias, but a friend of mine sent me this the other day: https://theintercept.com/2015/10/26/bbc-protects-uks-close-ally-saudi-arabia-with-incredibly-dishonest-and-biased-editing/

Aye we were hugely overreacting to the results around December Surprised at Trooper not being here recently to enjoy the positivity mind. I guess he mostly uses this place to complain

Apologies for this, having a rough day. I dont claim to have the right of this I'm just doing what i can to make sense of the world.

Yep, sounds bad. Should be sorted out. I don't know what Corbyn is doing with this, I'm really not paying attention anymore. I'm was just making a point about proportionate coverage. Tbh, maybe it's a bigger deal on here than the news?

Yeah, you would think more at the government (as with what the media in the US have done) rather than the opposition. I don't have the energy to debate this utterly depressing charade anymore. If you're satisfied with the bollocks you're being fed, more power to you.

Go on then, who else was paying attention?

Should be tackled with coverage proportionate to the size of the problem.

When the whole thing fell apart, the only sides paying attention to anyone outside of the politician/media bubble were the moderate left (Corbyn) and the moderate to far right (Farage). I chose Mod-left. As I've said before, I would welcome a return to a reformed centre.

See the next post. I woulda stuck with Nu-Labour if they'd just opposed the insanity of Austerity. The scale of the problem anti-semitism represents, changes radically when you consider whether or not there is violence. The far right have anti-Jew rallies in the US - this is a problem. Have we had anything approximating any such thing over here? It's insane that this is getting the coverage that it is. We have a bigger problem with Islamophobia on the right ffs.

Wow, I'm surprisingly consistent.

At the risk of trying to sound like I'm calling it after the fact, I knew where austerity would take us (widespread lower middle/working class unrest) and it delivered us Brexit. Labour capitulated on austerity and I lost faith in them. Agree on Miliband blow for blow against the Tories, but he delivered us Brexit as much as Cameron did IMO. Or the sides of his party that wouldn't let him oppose austerity did anyway.

I know, I just... Tbh I'm just screaming into the void anyway.

I didn't have a passion for Corbyn - please just internalise this point. I had an intense disillusionment with literally everything that wasn't Corbyn. This has not changed. You are currently witnessing my intense disillusionment with the shitshow that is the political machinations of this country. I was on the brink of simply giving up on voting pre-Corbyn, and nothing has happened since he came along that makes me think that any other status quo party has learned a damn thing from why he is where he is, and even why Brexit happened. This farce about anti-semitism is staggering. Has anyone been killed by an anti-semitic left winger yet? Has anyone even been assaulted? All we have are vague fucking accusations of this and that at a time when we are a couple of steps away from a war with a major power. It's just... I don't even understand this country. It's fucking insane.

Re: the BBC, I don't think they lie or are inaccurate. I just don't think they report on everything that they should.

And if May had been accused of anti-semitism, you'd have been crying about it. Yawn.

I think we should have gone through the proper channels and, if the Russians obstructed the process the whole way, allowed that to speak for itself as far as the international community is concerned.

Could see that coming a mile off.

It's literally in your profile information Banned after 3 posts.

What is the point in having a "UN", or the Convention against chemical weapons, if we're simply not going to pay any attention to them? I assume you support the wholesale disbanding of both institutions then? Or do their rules not apply to us, making them instead an tool by which powerful nations keep smaller ones in check? I can't get my head around why so many people think it's acceptable to just fly off the handle like this in response to such things. We are being led by the least competent leaders any of us have ever seen, and we'll criticise them left and right about everything, right up until the opportunity to go and blow up other countries is on the table, and then they have our full, unquestioning, compliant backing.

We need to start pushing critical thinking at school level to combat misinformation, but aside from that, the media needs to be held to actual standards for their reporting. Lying by omission is the biggest problem IMO. I note that the reporting on 'fake news' has turned people back to the MSM though, public trust is now back to 60%. Staggering IMO, but if people have nowhere decent to turn, I guess the least bad option becomes the only viable one. Interestingly the report says more and more people simply aren't reading news anymore. That's presumably the real consequence of all of this. As for Syria, yeah, we'll never know what the deal actually was.