Rayvin

In fairness, if Rafa goes to West Ham then he'll have gone down in my estimation somewhat. Even with Ashley here, I would have thought that what he's achieved and the link he's forged with the city in general would be enough to see off those charlatans. Having said that, hopefully this will push Ashley to actually make some manner of commitment to the guy.

My bad Tbh though, I don't think it makes much difference. If Benitez goes, is Ashley going to appoint someone good or someone who defines the word mediocre? We all know.

I would call his stint at Man Utd, given what has followed it, about as good as could have been expected - though he was clearly out of his depth. Real Sociedad was another country and again, out of his comfort zone. Sunderland . West Ham he has managed to keep up, which was his brief, no? I'm not saying he's great, I'm saying he's inevitable.

You think Ashley wouldn't go for Moyes? Someone who has proven he can keep clubs up on small budgets (Sunderland aside but they're a demonstrable basketcase, and their successive relegation probably absolves Moyes of some blame really). I can see it.

If Benitez goes, I can see us getting Moyes.

For involvement with the fighting?

The conspiracy theory about the president might have legs actually, given he suspended 19 players last month for criticising him on social media: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/apr/07/sporting-lisbon-president-suspends-19-players-after-social-media-spat

I didnt mean intentionally threw away, just that they missed out. And his theory is the club's president is punishing the team.

A friend of mine is a Sporting fan and he is convinced that the club president set it up. Apparently they threw away second place in the final game of the season.

Sorry to hear that man. Sure you'll send it packing again, and as CT says, best of luck with it.

If it turns out in 4 months that she cant do it, how is the electoral suicide outcome any different?

What has he been doing well at Fulham then?

Doesn't Mitro basically offer those attributes, or is he a bit too slow for that vision?

What is the downside to May, apart from resigning, of coming out and saying that the whole thing is totally impossible? What can the Tories possibly do to her?

As much as we're used to saying that the government are incompetent, you're talking about a level of incompetence that could only possibly be described as staggering. Even if May herself doesn't understand the situation, the notion that there aren't loads of underlings running around working everything out is a jump too far for me. If it is impossible, she must know that by now. That she continues to believe in a positive outcome, suggests to me that the government must have an angle.

I really don't know, but maybe this Max Fac option is actually feasible in some way. Maybe the GFA can be renegotiated? I just can't see what the Tories gain by blindly lumbering towards this. If they had no solution, surely we'd be hearing narratives coming out about the benefits of the single market, and how impossible to solve the Ireland issue is. Instead all we are seeing is confidence that it will be resolved.

I would love to believe this but I just can't see how the Tories would willingly walk into that. Corbyn has very little to lose, so his position makes a certain kind of sense - but the Tories have to make this work. And they will, somehow.

I dread to think what the situation for the working class is going to look like. Not only is Brexit a 'shooting yourself in the foot' moment for them, but they're going to open up a divide between them and the left leaning middle - especially given that they're sitting on the moderate to far right, politically. Maybe we should just let them have it.

I think we're fucked now tbh. They'll find a way past the GFA somehow. For all CT's complaining about Remoaners, we've actually achieved fuck all in influencing the outcome of this. The Tories and Labour are united in wanting to deliver what looks like a pretty hard Brexit, and the only thing threatening it is an administrative technicality. We're just fucked.

The shiny new centre left party will only split the left and ensure the Tories. I could stomach voting for it once, if it killed off Brexit, but the truth is it would have to eat into the Tory vote more than Labour's and can you really see that happening?

It is a good point, but Momentum and Corbyn must figure that they can get these people out to vote again if they just stay on message for Brexit.

Corbynite Labour members are, by and large, people like me. The ones he appears to be considering won't turn on him over Brexit. The working class are the ones he's trying to win over, and they, I would guess, are far more skeptical of him. The thing is, he's kind of right about this gamble. The next election will be a straight run off between Labour and the Tories are usual - both backed Brexit, and if both have basically the same message on Brexit, then even in my position of wanting to put 'Remain' as the paramount consideration for my vote, I'm left with having to turn to the Lib Dems - i.e. to waste my vote - or to hold my nose and vote for the least bad option, which is the party of Brexit but with social responsibility.

I do have a question though, I guess. I was just reading that 70% of Labour constituencies voted Leave. How are we supposed to square that one with the party coming out for Remain or Brexit in name only? Maybe the truth is just that Labour is now finally backing the working classes, as unpalatable as that is for the middle classes. Taking an attitude of 'we know what's best' isn't exactly likely to win much backing from a group that feels left behind and ignored.

I actually think you're going to get Brexit. It'll be a shambolic affair but it'll be spun in a way that makes it look like we've achieved something. The political establishment looks determined to see it through, come what may. I guess all we can hope for on the Remain side is that it solves whatever issues the Brexiters thought it would, so they can look at domestic policy once again and we can try to restore the country somehow.

Corbyn has ruled out the Norway model which suggests he really doesn't have a better plan for how to handle this than May does. That's probably it for Labour now - he's gambling the loyalty of his main support (socially mind, left wing young people) against being able to win over the working classes. I don't think that alliance is going to form, not with Brexit mixed in. If we end up in a position where we have another GE over the actual outcome of Brexit, and Corbyn is putting down his current offering, I'm not convinced I would vote for him.