Rayvin

I would love to believe this but I just can't see how the Tories would willingly walk into that. Corbyn has very little to lose, so his position makes a certain kind of sense - but the Tories have to make this work. And they will, somehow.

I dread to think what the situation for the working class is going to look like. Not only is Brexit a 'shooting yourself in the foot' moment for them, but they're going to open up a divide between them and the left leaning middle - especially given that they're sitting on the moderate to far right, politically. Maybe we should just let them have it.

I think we're fucked now tbh. They'll find a way past the GFA somehow. For all CT's complaining about Remoaners, we've actually achieved fuck all in influencing the outcome of this. The Tories and Labour are united in wanting to deliver what looks like a pretty hard Brexit, and the only thing threatening it is an administrative technicality. We're just fucked.

The shiny new centre left party will only split the left and ensure the Tories. I could stomach voting for it once, if it killed off Brexit, but the truth is it would have to eat into the Tory vote more than Labour's and can you really see that happening?

It is a good point, but Momentum and Corbyn must figure that they can get these people out to vote again if they just stay on message for Brexit.

Corbynite Labour members are, by and large, people like me. The ones he appears to be considering won't turn on him over Brexit. The working class are the ones he's trying to win over, and they, I would guess, are far more skeptical of him. The thing is, he's kind of right about this gamble. The next election will be a straight run off between Labour and the Tories are usual - both backed Brexit, and if both have basically the same message on Brexit, then even in my position of wanting to put 'Remain' as the paramount consideration for my vote, I'm left with having to turn to the Lib Dems - i.e. to waste my vote - or to hold my nose and vote for the least bad option, which is the party of Brexit but with social responsibility.

I do have a question though, I guess. I was just reading that 70% of Labour constituencies voted Leave. How are we supposed to square that one with the party coming out for Remain or Brexit in name only? Maybe the truth is just that Labour is now finally backing the working classes, as unpalatable as that is for the middle classes. Taking an attitude of 'we know what's best' isn't exactly likely to win much backing from a group that feels left behind and ignored.

I actually think you're going to get Brexit. It'll be a shambolic affair but it'll be spun in a way that makes it look like we've achieved something. The political establishment looks determined to see it through, come what may. I guess all we can hope for on the Remain side is that it solves whatever issues the Brexiters thought it would, so they can look at domestic policy once again and we can try to restore the country somehow.

Corbyn has ruled out the Norway model which suggests he really doesn't have a better plan for how to handle this than May does. That's probably it for Labour now - he's gambling the loyalty of his main support (socially mind, left wing young people) against being able to win over the working classes. I don't think that alliance is going to form, not with Brexit mixed in. If we end up in a position where we have another GE over the actual outcome of Brexit, and Corbyn is putting down his current offering, I'm not convinced I would vote for him.

The Guardian has given Deadpool a 3 star rating which doesnt fill me with confidence that it isnt just more hype. Although their main complaint with it appears to be that its dominated by straight white men so maybe it loses points for not being 'on message'.

Southgate is not a risk taker. At all. Too emotionally damaged from that penalty miss, I would guess.

From what I've seen, Social Media Warrior covers every group that you named.

Well aye, but on the evidence we just saw this season, he's probably good at least for another one. As you said, there are other positions which seem more worthy of attention.

Was under the impression that Diame became 'mint' when his position was changed. You're talking as if he's just been in a purple patch though...? What if he's just a better player further back?

I don't think she has a point. All political tribes lash out at each other on Twitter. Actually, if your point is that twitter is to civilised debate what a dictatorship is to democracy, then I'm in agreement. But if your point is that middle aged men are forming opinions based on the rantings of 20 year olds on Twitter, than I despair for them. And the writer of that article. Fuck it, and the Times in general. And you.

Have some of these kids been offending you or something? If the working class are flooding to the Tories because they're being called names, then they are certainly the immature ones in this context. Why vote for a party that will improve your standard of life when you can choose the Tories as a safe space to prevent against being called names... I think you give the working classes no credit at all. The reason the they abandon the left is because the left has generally had no message for them, preferring to prioritise other groups while maintaining the status quo and making it look like they're 'doing something progressive'. Not because they're being called names ffs.

Lemme know what you think of Mario then, I haven't tried that. I prefer the Super Mario Bros. style games they release to the blockbuster Mario title they release every few years, but that's just me.

Right wingers are snowflakes? I honestly don't think many people in the centre would be put off by those sorts of words - and if they are, then they're more interested in narratives than they are in policy.

In your view, I am the leading Corbynite on here, right? Have I ever used any of those terms? Who are you warning, exactly?

This has been pathetic

I'm curious about this too.

I nearly made that joke myself just to deprive someone else

How many mackems do you think would know that off the top of their head? One or two?

Seriously..?

We've all lost already, frankly. This shambles is a total distraction from the country's actual issues. Rising knife crime, collapsing NHS, who gives a shit? Let's divorce the EU without any understanding of what that entails, costing fucking billions of taxpayers money, to make ourselves markedly worse off.