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Having spent some time trawling through youtube trying to find clips of 'robust' challenges on Brexiteers, tbf I did find this one: May well have been covered before, but to my view this is actually an interview of some substance. Perhaps the issue in my case is that I simply don't know where the BBC keeps it's 'intense' questioning of political figures. I don't watch terrestrial TV at all, so this is perhaps understandable in my case - and their web version is never going to actually commit on the same level I guess.

I believe that they take a pro-British view, and endorse views that they think will be in the best interests of supporting British policy wins. At this point, it presumably means not shooting holes through Brexit. The moment they haul a senior government minister in front of the country and resolutely sit there forcing them to answer some of the basic questions about things like 'how we get past the GFA' or 'why is the country £900 per household worse off' or 'how come the Americans are raping us in this trade deal' (and forcing them to answer these without accepting bullshit and fudging) is the moment they can return to impartiality on this issue. But they're not going to do so because ultimately, it will harm the ongoing negotiations for this insanity with the EU - or at least that is what they will have been told by the government.

As I've tried to say before, I don't think it's what the BBC says that makes it a tool for the government so much as what it doesn't say. And I'm very prepared to file "proper scrutiny of Brexit" under the category of lying by omission.

You've got to love how we express concern and sympathy for community members on here.

Yeah, seriously, this will be because of government pressure. If they go all out on Brexit then the Tories and the Brexiteer public will savage it. It is a state owned news channel, as much as we like to think it is untouchable.

Have to say I agree that all these ideas should be pushed out into the open for public scrutiny. Having said that PL is right that these guys don't get nearly enough pressure when they're on these shows. Maybe because if that pressure existed, they wouldn't do them at all though. Perhaps it's better to unleash the hounds after the event.

I was talking about Renton

The centre itself now losing faith in the MSM apparently. I actually do have some sympathy with the BBC on the grounds that they are, presumably, attempting to demonstrate a lack of bias at a time where a Tory government whose future hinges entirely on Brexit is presumably quite ready and willing to put them under tighter and tighter scrutiny. But being sympathetic with them doesn't mean I trust them.

The problems will just become more entrenched. The strange-hold on information will continue as they curtail the internet over time. Ultimately, we get the shit our stupidity deserves.

Tbf, was just reading what they think of this over on a Villa forum and I'm amazed to see that they fucking love the guy. So I actually think he'll get away with it. Must have had a good season for them.

... Why Alex, just why.

Wasn't criticising the job tbf mate, was actually just putting forward the views some of your fellow cabbies have articulated to me in the past two years.

I get what you're saying, but say it's true - He's probably lost many thousands to immigration (albeit not necessarily EU immigration). So £900 for Brexit, in his case alone, may be a price worth paying.

Fair point, and I guess one of the key fallacies of the vote leave campaign - unless these people are moving to Europe and then on to the UK under FOM. I don't really know where our immigration primarily comes from in truth, but I would imagine that the ignorance around the issue would be a source of leave voting.

The taxi driver thing though - the drivers I speak to regularly complain about an over supply of labour in the market now, especially since the council recently got rid of the 'locality test' thing that I suppose previously would have meant that low skilled foreign workers couldn't just come in and start immediately. The advent of the GPS system and the free supply of labour do genuinely appear to have hit the taxi drivers hard - for the maximisation of profits at the top, I guess. So, in fairness to CT, he probably does have a reason to want FOM to stop over and above the rest of us. £900 worse off a year probably doesn't compare to the drop in income he has experienced in real earnings over the past 10 years or so. However, I would argue that the more obvious problem is actually the council, who by dropping locality tests have effectively removed any concept of 'skill' from the work. This is the free market though, and it is Tory economic policy 101. Also, I'm mindful of the fact I'm just putting words in his mouth here, his experience may well have been different - but I could understand this point, were he to ever make it, as a reason for voting out.

I'm thankful I'm not as informed enough about Brexit's machinations to be involved in this, because it looks deeply irritating.

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Yeah but the leader is voted by members. So whoever the 'power behind the throne' is, they have to convince the membership to vote for someone else.

Who is they? The PLP wont be spoiling for that fight again.

Was this deliberately ironic or just amusingly ironic?

CT is on superb form with Brexit recently, it has to be said

I forget I'm not alone on here sometimes.

Well true but that means that, as Gloom mentioned earlier, we should just re-do the referendum and stay in properly. Presumably that's the least bad option going.

So all of the possible deals were hated, but the Norway one the least so. Well fair enough. On the basis of that, I would agree that Corbyn is likely pushing for what he is on the basis of being a hard Brexiter himself.

Link to support that claim? If it's true, then sure, it should be on the table and Corbyn should back it.