Rayvin

If Ashley's line is that Benitez can continue to spend whatever the club generates, then surely they just need to get together and determine that that figure is, and move from there.

Damn fucking straight.

Which isn't to say that we shouldn't grab the same deal with both hands if someone offers it now.

I'm not swallowing right wing rhetoric, I just can't see any good case for a soft Brexit that makes logical sense in terms of what people voted for. Here is my post at the time: And here was your view of my post:

Well, fair enough then. But logically it's fucking absurd.

I meant in terms of the fact that within the EU we had a clear say in decision making, and in a Norway model, we don't. For crying out loud man, simmer down.

This is where I am on it too. I don't recall a clear 'soft Brexit, pro-single market' message at the time. By Johnson maybe. By Farage?

Pre-referendum his view was that the EU was in serious need of reform but that on balance it was better to stay in and be part of the change. Post-referendum, his view is that the result should be honoured, and that the only Brexit that makes sense in the context of the question asked is a hard one. Those two statements aren't contradictions of each other, the latter is just a developed view based on a developed reality. And tbh, he and the hard Brexit zealots are right about the latter point. In the context of the question asked at the time, the only Brexit that makes sense is indeed a hard one. The Norway model maybe is the best we can hope for as remainers but it sure as shit isn't what people voted for, or thought they were voting for, because it doesn't make us any more sovereign than we were before, and indeed arguably less so. The fact that Brexit is an unworkable catastrophe is the reason we should be cancelling it, not because 'no one voted for hard Brexit'. They really actually did. Logically, I can't see any other conclusion - I think I said as much at the time. I recall making a post saying how fucking pointless the result was if all it will achieve is a soft Brexit.

Yeah ok, fair enough. I mean it didn't register remotely with me but I'm too young to remember appreciate that period directly. To me, it just looks like he was on the right side of history with that - but I have an unemotional view of it. I do worry a bit if he actually has it in him to make the changes he wants if he ever did win tbh, so maybe he doesn't want to - but why do all of this, if that was the case? He clearly never expected to be here in the first place. Yeah I think so. If we had run with a pro-Remain Labour leader in that GE, the Tories would have their majority. I have no doubt about that. Corbyn's Brexit fudging and changing of the conversation actually worked well for him there.

I don't...? I'm just saying that he's not a coward. And that our views on that GE result have changed markedly over time, I think to confirm our biases personally, but with a significant dose of Brexit related fury thrown in.

I don't know about that tbh, I think the cloud of Brexit made it a certainty for the Tories. But having said that, like what? I'm struggling to think of anything he said that would have lost him votes apart from the stuff about nuclear bombs (which he did compromise on).

I am as well, although I'm starting to hit apathy. But he did almost take control of parliament by sticking to his guns. At the time, we thought that was a huge victory. Over time we've reduced the role Corbyn played in that and increased the role the Tories being fucking stupid played in it. But he did come fucking close to sinking them. Closer than Miliband. (Renton incoming)

Well, I try. How is he hiding behind purported principles though?

I doubt you've missed it, although I daresay that Corbyn has raised policing cuts with the government on many occasions since that's well within his ideological comfort zone. The issue really, as we've identified before, is that he simply can't whip up the media into a frenzy about any of it - so he may as well not be saying a damn thing. I still don't think he's a coward though. Or if he is, I'd like to know how? It's kind of the same thing people say about terrorists - that their devotion to their principles somehow makes them cowardly. They're wrong in what they do, and clearly committing acts of evil, but blowing yourself up for a cause sure as shit isn't cowardly. Corbyn sticking to his guns despite everything can be called stupid, intransigent, and strategically useless to the point of being counter productive... but I don't think it's cowardly.

Aye but that's just a sweet spot for the Mail. They'd have a police state if they could, so attacking the government over policing cuts is a bread and butter topic for them. This violent crime wave stuff really does seem to be hitting the Tories hard now though. In fact, in a non-Brexit alternate universe it would probably be the main focal point of political discourse right now.

I wonder if what is happening to Villa would have happened to us if we hadn't gone up..

If what Renton has said is true then he isn't a coward or lacking in vision. He's just got a different vision to us and appears to be determined to see it through. The vision itself is monumentally stupid though, so I agree on the 'thick' part.

It's hard to imagine that the Labour team hasn't sat down and actually realised this as a collective though. It must just be something they're saying because they think it puts pressure on the government. It's still a fucking pathetic strategy though.

That is staggering This cannot happen, clearly. No one will let this happen. It would be an unmitigated disaster.

It's better but if you played the wii u one then don't bother IMO. Not enough difference and I've barely touched it really.

All sides of the political divide should be able to laugh at themselves tbh. Rest assured though, as the forum's leading Corbynite (allegedly) I don't give a fuck

David Davis is an absolute charlatan

She's probably being cloned as we speak.

I think the IRA should get behind this tbh - if Brexit goes through as shambolically as it appears to be, it'll get them a united Ireland within 10-15 years anyway.