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Cable to resign in the next year or so once he's lubed the LDs up for the new centrist party's assortment of millionaires.

I dont even have an agenda in defending Corbyn anymore, i want him gone too - but this anti-semitism stuff is doing my fucking head in. I read an article in the Guardian the other day from someone who apparently backed Corbyn through every other anti-Semitism contention but drew the line at this one. Not the anti-Semitism definition, not Ken Livingstone, not the fucking mural, this statement. This statement was just beyond the pale, apparently. FFS.

Absolutely they do. In my opinion. I've said previously on many occasions in the terrorist thread that the whole issue needs to be accepted for pragmatic reasons. The point remains that taking a position against Zionism is not, looked at literally, racist. Islam contains within it a political ideology. Are we not allowed to criticise and reject that without being termed racists? It calls for the Islamation of all states. In effect, the Muslim 'homeland' would be the whole world. Please note that i am not saying all or even most Muslims believe or want this. In fact i think less than half do.

Um, no. I'm saying the opposite. Jewish people could have had a homeland without creating Israel, which was done in a way that was undeniably dismissive of the humanity and needs of the people already living there, presumably because they weren't white enough to be important. Creating Israel was at best, unintentionally racist. This is not the same statement as 'Jewish people having a homeland is a racist endeavour'

As covered before, i believe there is a distinction between a right to a homeland and displacing and persecuting millions of brown people to achieve one.

I'm not disputing that he's anti-zionist. The pattern is clear there.

It's a political ideology backed by a large number of a particular religion. I accept that there is an almost race like status around Judiasm but it remains an 'ism'. Corbyn regularly holds council with anti-zionist Jewish people so i think it's safe to assume that his interests and categorisations are political rather than racial. It all feels like a premise for the establishment of the centrist party which will undoubtedly ensure Tory dominance going forward. But whatever. If i read something clearly anti Semitic from Corbyn then fair enough, but Anti Zionist isn't the same thing. I mean think it through ffs. If Zionist = Jew you wouldn't need both words.

It may be a reasonable position to hold, but I'm not sure that taking issue with how Israel was formed is an antisemitic proposition, even if received wisdom would be that this is an 'unreasonable' contention.

QFT.

Yeah that doesn't cut it. If 90% of Muslims identified as extremists, would that mean he couldn't say the things he said with the label 'extremists'? (I'm not conflating the severity of the two, although I guess some would). Zionism is a political ideology, not a race. People choose to be zionists. Which is why there are also anti-Zionist Jews. https://zionist.org.uk/

Humour me - at what point did Zionist = Jew?

CT If we get No Deal I'm going to put him on permanent ignore until the point he comes back on here, holds his hands up and admits he's fucking ruined the country.

The fuck? I'm not desperate to prove anything. The numbers are fucking clearly stacked against men on this. I'm just pointing out that she's a hypocrite and a "pig". I also do feel that in a society where gender roles are being eliminated by progressive values, that young men should be considered as vulnerable as young women, at least in the eyes of the people pushing that line of thought. You really have the wrong idea about me mate. It's kind of annoying tbh. My issue is with narratives and bullshit. I will happily fight the corner of any group with the statistical backing of data and research to support the underlying point about the issue. I posted this because it's a kick in the balls for a prevailing narrative, not because i feel like it makes the world an equal place as far as sexual assaults go. Because I'm not wedded to any particular line of ideological nonsense, i feel relatively free to do this.

I see, I forgot that it's not statutory rape when the victim is male. Ok then. Either way, if the victim was female we'd be calling this out as terrible I expect. On the basis that girls can't enjoy sex when they're 17 and boys can, I guess. Progressive thinking right there. Mostly though, it's interesting that she was one of the 'pigs' who was exposed.

It doesn't said he shagged her, it said she assaulted him. I don't know quite what that is meant to mean. But if the 17 year old in question had been coerced or forced, then I guess so.

Seems he looked at her as a mother figure though...

The woman who kicked off the whole thing against Weinstain, Asia Argento... turns out that she may allegedly be an abuser herself: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/19/us/asia-argento-assault-jimmy-bennett.html She paid off her victim to the tune of $380k for silence - a barely 17 year old musician/actor (she was 37 at the time) who she assaulted in a hotel room. Age of consent in the state is 18. He seems to have suffered lasting mental trauma from this, according to the article. Anyway, I eagerly await the Guardian's coverage of this. EDIT - Interview with her in the Guardian a year ago: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/19/more-pigs-will-be-revealed-asia-argento-on-life-after-accusing-weinstein-of "More pigs will be revealed" Oh dear.

So you've mentioned that fear of a nuclear armageddon is an occasional fear interspersed into a more general sense of terror. Of what are we terrified? I mean Nottingham Forest really aren't that good. Also, there isn't going to be a nuclear war any time soon, relax. Wars are being conducted through trade - if anything you should be worried about an economic armageddon. It'll still kill plenty.

I don't recall ever expressing an opinion on Pickford tbh.

HF would probably know the answer to that if he could be summoned from Twitter. I think you could look at other clubs of similar stature in the league and make an estimation based on the income those clubs get in terms of commercial revenue.

It's a high profile voice putting into words the feelings of many of the fans, and airing some of the hypocritical views, mistakes and fallacies put forward by the regime and those close to it. You're from Birmingham, right? Do the media not take up the sword on behalf of Villa fans from time to time? Or are all fans down there rather placid about the goings on at their clubs, thus not really inspiring any media discussion? I consider such an attitude to be rather servile but each to their own. EDIT - My bad, not really paid attention on here for a bit and didn't realise you were a WUM. Nevermind.

Yep, but as far as your average worker is concerned, you can see why they believe immigration is too high. The counter argument is the establishment of a living wage that is enforced properly I guess. All I'm saying is I wish we could deal with these issues instead of letting them ruin our countries.

I didn't say the fascists, I said the idiots. And if they are complaining about poor living conditions, little aspiration, reduced job opportunities, etc - then this is something that should be considered. Sure, the reasons they put forward for why this happens will ultimately be prejudiced ones, but we can tackle the issues and the prejudice at the same time. Frankly though, what I meant by my original comment really was that I have no lens on what Trump voters think of him issue to issue, and so little understanding of how the left is supposed to 'resist'. And from what I've seen so far, it's not calling everyone under the sun a racist. That seems to be helping Trump. I saw something in the Guardian the other day that stunned me a bit tbh, as much as it follows logically based on supply and demand; factory wages in the UK are rising as employers have to pay more to get workers, what with immigration from the EU falling. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/nov/08/shortage-of-factory-workers-starts-to-push-up-pay-rates#comments So clearly, concerns about immigration taking jobs and suppressing pay - in certain sectors - are valid. Why can we not address this? Our refusal to listen to people who feel this way is not helping and is creating Trumps and Brexits. I can't get my head around why some people are so determined just to pretend that this issue isn't happening, and that we can make it go away with name calling and looking the other way.

Yeah no, that's not what people on here were claiming. I was told in no uncertain terms that the Tories would collapse in and of themselves before we got to Christmas, then mid-Spring, then August. I daresay it'll be October next, then Christmas again, before finally March next year when the country falls apart. And I bet the fuckers are still standing even after that. Labour have been beyond pathetic but enough has happened to the Tories that the media should have torn them down over and over again by now.

So you think we should close our eyes, bury our heads in the sand, and not understand what the people who just voted in the worst president in history are saying about him now - and just kinda hope that it doesn't happen again? I'm not advocating for their views being held up as some kind of truth, or balance against factual analysis. I'm saying that their views should be aired and understood. Primarily so they can be challenged or considered from a policy perspective. And I'm not even talking about the actual fascists here, I'm talking about the idiots. The same sorts of idiots who voted for Brexit.