Rayvin

Come on man, having a homeland and having it be this specific iteration are not the same thing.

No he won't. At some point, I'm going to have to read some manner of detailed explanation as to why that statement is anti-Semitic. I could understand "Jewish people having a homeland is a racist endeavour" being a problem, but not "Israel". More importantly though, the dumbfucks who have done this - presumably - are on Corbyn's side in the whole thing. And now they're just causing him problems. I wouldn't be surprised if it was May herself who ran around putting them up.

"The British public overwhelmingly voted for Brexit" What planet is he living on?

Hitting something anyway.

Sounds like Corbyn flattened May at PMQs, all 6 of them dedicated to Brexit. Maybe Labour really have just been biding their time. I see Burnham called for a second referendum yesterday... #Wishfulthinking

"He died doing what he loved" on the headstone if you had gone over.

It did take an investigation to prove it. Guilty until innocent now eh?

Because it was. I remember it clearly.

I needed an actual investigation and evidence before a response, in accordance with international agreements. If that investigation concludes that the Russians did it, great. Pretty sure this was also Corbyn's position.

Corbyn continues to be a woefully ineffective and deeply frustrating leader who could have achieved so much if not for his own political incompetence. As it is he is a wasted opportunity. Happy? Doesn't change any of my feelings about this utter shitshow from the press though.

This is great news. Several weeks of fucking meaningless nonsense from the press can now come to an end, as they will doubtless move on to the next big issue of the day, and will surely avoid being caught up in another Labour centric storm in a teacup at the behest of the Tory party, the next time a distraction is needed. I'm almost back at the point where I would vote for Corbyn again out of spite if a leadership election came up, solely as a middle finger to the press.

This is very true.

Did I miss this?

I love this typo.

What is the EU's deal at this point in time? Norway? If it's Norway we may as well fucking stay in.

They're basing it on the fact that he banned stop and search and then reintroduced it when crime rose.

Cable to resign in the next year or so once he's lubed the LDs up for the new centrist party's assortment of millionaires.

I dont even have an agenda in defending Corbyn anymore, i want him gone too - but this anti-semitism stuff is doing my fucking head in. I read an article in the Guardian the other day from someone who apparently backed Corbyn through every other anti-Semitism contention but drew the line at this one. Not the anti-Semitism definition, not Ken Livingstone, not the fucking mural, this statement. This statement was just beyond the pale, apparently. FFS.

Absolutely they do. In my opinion. I've said previously on many occasions in the terrorist thread that the whole issue needs to be accepted for pragmatic reasons. The point remains that taking a position against Zionism is not, looked at literally, racist. Islam contains within it a political ideology. Are we not allowed to criticise and reject that without being termed racists? It calls for the Islamation of all states. In effect, the Muslim 'homeland' would be the whole world. Please note that i am not saying all or even most Muslims believe or want this. In fact i think less than half do.

Um, no. I'm saying the opposite. Jewish people could have had a homeland without creating Israel, which was done in a way that was undeniably dismissive of the humanity and needs of the people already living there, presumably because they weren't white enough to be important. Creating Israel was at best, unintentionally racist. This is not the same statement as 'Jewish people having a homeland is a racist endeavour'

As covered before, i believe there is a distinction between a right to a homeland and displacing and persecuting millions of brown people to achieve one.

I'm not disputing that he's anti-zionist. The pattern is clear there.

It's a political ideology backed by a large number of a particular religion. I accept that there is an almost race like status around Judiasm but it remains an 'ism'. Corbyn regularly holds council with anti-zionist Jewish people so i think it's safe to assume that his interests and categorisations are political rather than racial. It all feels like a premise for the establishment of the centrist party which will undoubtedly ensure Tory dominance going forward. But whatever. If i read something clearly anti Semitic from Corbyn then fair enough, but Anti Zionist isn't the same thing. I mean think it through ffs. If Zionist = Jew you wouldn't need both words.

It may be a reasonable position to hold, but I'm not sure that taking issue with how Israel was formed is an antisemitic proposition, even if received wisdom would be that this is an 'unreasonable' contention.

QFT.