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Tbf, if I thought this nonsense had the slightest chance of unseating Corbyn, I'd actually be prepared to go along with it. But it doesn't. It's not washing with the membership, so it's a total waste of time except to harm Labour's chances in any manner of election.

That's a domestic issue. I'm curious as to why Owen Smith appears to be trying to conflate criticism of a racist state with the whole anti-semitism debacle. Well I'm not actually, I understand why he's doing it. I just think he's a cunt.

Well Corbyn isn't bringing it up, and I understand that the press of course have been told to go for him, but why the rest of Labour ffs. It's like they've learned nothing.

I'd be curious to understand their motivations though. Are they really about supremacy or is there a pragmatic reason for it... Either way, I still don't understand why a country that isn't a threat to the UK in any way (despite being racist), is the Labour party's main foreign policy issue right now.

I reflected on it and it turns out I don't care. I mean Israel is, after all, a racist state - according to the UN anyway.

I do get that. We're arguing over the semantic difference between "the" and "a". If we gave every invaded country back to its original people, the world would look rather different, I feel. Certainly Europe would. Look, I don't care enough anymore to go through this again tbh, I should have just kept my nose out. I will say that whoever is hanging up those posters is doing no one on the left any favours - but the left shooting itself in the foot isn't exactly new.

Come on man, having a homeland and having it be this specific iteration are not the same thing.

No he won't. At some point, I'm going to have to read some manner of detailed explanation as to why that statement is anti-Semitic. I could understand "Jewish people having a homeland is a racist endeavour" being a problem, but not "Israel". More importantly though, the dumbfucks who have done this - presumably - are on Corbyn's side in the whole thing. And now they're just causing him problems. I wouldn't be surprised if it was May herself who ran around putting them up.

"The British public overwhelmingly voted for Brexit" What planet is he living on?

Hitting something anyway.

Sounds like Corbyn flattened May at PMQs, all 6 of them dedicated to Brexit. Maybe Labour really have just been biding their time. I see Burnham called for a second referendum yesterday... #Wishfulthinking

"He died doing what he loved" on the headstone if you had gone over.

It did take an investigation to prove it. Guilty until innocent now eh?

Because it was. I remember it clearly.

I needed an actual investigation and evidence before a response, in accordance with international agreements. If that investigation concludes that the Russians did it, great. Pretty sure this was also Corbyn's position.

Corbyn continues to be a woefully ineffective and deeply frustrating leader who could have achieved so much if not for his own political incompetence. As it is he is a wasted opportunity. Happy? Doesn't change any of my feelings about this utter shitshow from the press though.

This is great news. Several weeks of fucking meaningless nonsense from the press can now come to an end, as they will doubtless move on to the next big issue of the day, and will surely avoid being caught up in another Labour centric storm in a teacup at the behest of the Tory party, the next time a distraction is needed. I'm almost back at the point where I would vote for Corbyn again out of spite if a leadership election came up, solely as a middle finger to the press.

This is very true.

Did I miss this?

I love this typo.

What is the EU's deal at this point in time? Norway? If it's Norway we may as well fucking stay in.

They're basing it on the fact that he banned stop and search and then reintroduced it when crime rose.

Cable to resign in the next year or so once he's lubed the LDs up for the new centrist party's assortment of millionaires.

I dont even have an agenda in defending Corbyn anymore, i want him gone too - but this anti-semitism stuff is doing my fucking head in. I read an article in the Guardian the other day from someone who apparently backed Corbyn through every other anti-Semitism contention but drew the line at this one. Not the anti-Semitism definition, not Ken Livingstone, not the fucking mural, this statement. This statement was just beyond the pale, apparently. FFS.

Absolutely they do. In my opinion. I've said previously on many occasions in the terrorist thread that the whole issue needs to be accepted for pragmatic reasons. The point remains that taking a position against Zionism is not, looked at literally, racist. Islam contains within it a political ideology. Are we not allowed to criticise and reject that without being termed racists? It calls for the Islamation of all states. In effect, the Muslim 'homeland' would be the whole world. Please note that i am not saying all or even most Muslims believe or want this. In fact i think less than half do.