Rayvin

"Some of us remember what the country was like before the EU destroyed it" These people need to be forcibly educated.

I'm late to the party here but... why are you here? Let us vent about our team and the game, it's not like you guys dont do the same thing in similar circumstances. What does it say about your life that you're on here doing this. Fucking hell man. It's depressing.

We're going to rescue Man Utd's season here.

He'd inevitably end up being the one they'd make an example of, and we'd never hear the end of it

So CT's position is that we'll get a deal which will eliminate tariffs on car parts and Nissan will survive. Renton's position is that no such deal is possible and it's the SM or WTO. I dont think either of you can win this one yet although i still think it's wishful thinking from CT given everything we've seen so far. CT, do you accept that if we don't get that deal, Nissan are in trouble?

Hard to argue with that.

Several months ago I argued that the Tories would somehow find a way to keep going through this and stay standing, and I'm as convinced that they will do so now as I was then. They're just too cynical - one thing they have done extremely well is used Brexit as a smokescreen from all the other chaos they've wrought. So we're going to be a poorer nation, with a bleaker future, but 'at least Corbyn's Labour won't be in power'. I'm ashamed to be British. We have so much potential as a country and we fritter it away on small minded nonsense which only serves to keep bland, stupid people at the top of society in control of large amounts of money.

They aren't bothered about what some random fat cunt thinks of them no matter how much money he has, would be my guess.

There isn't going to be a widespread boycott. There is nothing we can do. Accept it. It'll be easier in the long run.

Not even trying to hide it:

Does this not get tiring CT?

Fuck sake. Maybe doing it once is forgivable self parody. The first attempt wasn't too committed though, so a second time, maybe, is ok. But repeatedly? No. What the fuck is wrong with her.

May is getting dangerously close to a vote of no confidence it seems. 36 requests and 48 needed.

I was only saying to the Fish that the Tories are probably preparing for a No Deal scenario in earnest. I don't know why you've come wading into this as if I'm making some general point about what's going to happen unless you're somehow arguing that they aren't preparing for No Deal? If that's what you're doing, I'm not getting it. That said, yes, I am discounting the notion that we will strike a deal. But that's not really what I was talking about. Having said that, the level of... I mean, boundless, unfounded optimism in your post.. it's a thing to behold CT, it really is. And people think I'm a wishful thinker...

Their wallets. And I'm confused about that last point. I'm not saying the Tories can't stay in government, I'm just saying that May's successor, if it is a Tory government, is going to end up dealing with all kinds of public anger about the fallout from Brexit. Whether it unseats them or not doesn't change the fact that, like May, they'll be a lightning rod for it. Besides, while the public is clearly just as moronic as they were in the 80s, they're not quite as placid now in terms of voicing opinions.

It's the new TV deal that makes him think he can push the price up - I'd say it's more opportunism than anything else. The longer it goes without selling, the more he'll lower the fee though. Wasn't he at £400m with Staveley originally? Now down to £300m. Fully seriously, he must be fucking sick of us. Surely.

Yeah I don't know if those are the stakes actually. The one good thing about Corbyn's refusal to step down is that the Tories, for all they may openly laugh at him, privately will be fucking terrified of him actually becoming PM. Forget Brexit, he'll start smashing things they actually care about. So they won't want to lose power while he's waiting in the wings. For all May's successor may be able to distance themselves, it doesn't change the fact that they will be left holding the bag during a period of unprecedented forced decline. The people's anger has to go somewhere. Look at Gordon Brown's experience.

Holy fuck Amazing to think all that came from a small push.

It actually doesn't seem fair that May will ultimately walk away from this, at some point, with zero personal consequences beyond the years of her life she has lost by engaging with it at all.

They have nowhere else to go. The Tories clearly can't see any way back politically, so they've got to go No Deal once Chequers dies. On that basis, you would hope that they genuinely are preparing for it.

Hard to argue with this IMO. Far more damaging to hit his commercial interests.

Greek maybe also. I'm actually fascinated how someone from outside of the local area, presumably to the age when they were old enough to be conscripted, could hate Sunderland as much as you seem to.

So you aren't British then? Israeli? Korean? Chinese?

That is pathetic from May. Well done from Marr though.

Well, there is that.