Rayvin

My stock answer in this case was as much effort as I was prepared to put into a response to CT. I've gone over this in detail before but no one really remembers the gist of what anyone says in here so we end up repeating a lot of stuff. As an initial thought in response to your point, I would say that up until the market collapse, I would have argued that Thatcherism (The form of Neoliberalism that took hold in the UK spanning the Blairite years) was a good thing for this country in many ways, and was certainly developed under Blair's Labour. However it is clear that there is a point at which it 'goes too far' in its drive to reduce all individual human beings to 'consumers' and to take all state owned assets into the hands of the private sector. Here's an article on Denmark's "position" in terms of Neoliberalism compared to the US: http://www.demos.org/blog/3/25/16/would-american-neoliberals-be-happy-denmark The article concludes that Neoliberals from the US would struggle to be satisfied with the far more public sector oriented, socialist Danish economy. So we can conclude therefore that there is a 'scale' at work in this. I'm going to drop in this segment of Monbiot's piece on it, that I link to from time to time - this is how Neoliberals see the world - the Danish appear to be a long way further back on this scale than we are, probably at the point where we were under Blair, when everything looked good: Attempts to limit competition are treated as inimical to liberty. Tax and regulation should be minimised, public services should be privatised. The organisation of labour and collective bargaining by trade unions are portrayed as market distortions that impede the formation of a natural hierarchy of winners and losers. Inequality is recast as virtuous: a reward for utility and a generator of wealth, which trickles down to enrich everyone. Efforts to create a more equal society are both counterproductive and morally corrosive. The market ensures that everyone gets what they deserve. We internalise and reproduce its creeds. The rich persuade themselves that they acquired their wealth through merit, ignoring the advantages – such as education, inheritance and class – that may have helped to secure it. The poor begin to blame themselves for their failures, even when they can do little to change their circumstances. Never mind structural unemployment: if you don’t have a job it’s because you are unenterprising. Never mind the impossible costs of housing: if your credit card is maxed out, you’re feckless and improvident. Never mind that your children no longer have a school playing field: if they get fat, it’s your fault. In a world governed by competition, those who fall behind become defined and self-defined as losers.

Believe it or not, i know very little about Denmark's political situation. If you're building towards a point here it might be quicker to just tell me what it is and I'll look into it and get back to you..?

Aye. The man is a cunt. I'm pretty sure it's not just the English that see this.

That would be neoliberalism.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/04/jaguar-land-rovers-80bn-uk-investment-plan-at-risk-after-hard-brexit Jaguar - £80bn investment. 40,000 jobs. All at risk from the uncertainty surrounding the possibility of hard brexit.

Aye but watching the mackems go on about Henderson and Pickford has actually managed to make me pleased that we don't get to see our fans making tits of themselves in quite the same way...

Walker was responsible for that penalty against Tunisia as i recall, and also played a pass yesterday that Colombia should have scored with. He just seems to have a mistake in him every game. Not sure who was to blame for the Panama goal but it wouldn't surprise me if it was him. Not saying he's a bad player but i keep wishing Lascelles was there instead, lets put it that way.

I will be proud of the players? I don't get this reflected glory business and it won't make me feel any better about myself, but i think its ok to feel proud of the team succeeding. Agree with everything else you wrote though and will caveat my comment by saying that i was also 'proud' of Japan on the basis that they were a positive testament to the human race in a tournament where such things are hard to find.

If we can refrain from playing Kyle Walker, i think we should be ok. Otherwise we'll have to score two. I fancy us to get 1 at least but its hard to say where it will come from. Doubt Sweden will give away any stupid penalties.

I was telling myself before the game that i didn't care, same view as Renton, but then watching Colombia arse around all fucking game before we eventually won on penalties of all things... idk, couldn't remain 'above it'. I was jumping around the fucking living room This is the first England team in over a decade that has earned support IMO. Even if we go out to Sweden, which we shouldn't, I'm pleased we made it this far. If we beat Sweden I might actually be proud.

What about the pensioners who voted to Leave? Also, haven't the demographics for this been broken down already?

I have noticed the right doing this a lot recently - after years of decrying the left for standing up for the working class, now he have rightwing fucknuts speaking up on behalf of 'the ordinary working class man' in defense against the liberal, middle class, bourgeois elite.

Thanks mate, I've disabled it's access to my phone storage

If Unite does force them to come out in favour of the SM, it'll be interesting to see which way it swings.

CT, what do you think is going to happen if she gives us a Norway style Brexit? As in, will the government survive it?

Has it been confirmed that we're going for Kenedy as well?

Oh dear... which thread was this in?

Hmm..

Aye but you'd need someone to actually take control of the beast that is created, and I'm struggling to imagine Trump is that man.

Nice piece - probably the most convincing 'Trump is a fascist' thing I've read... although I don't know if I credit him with enough intelligence for this.

I hope you enjoy it mate. I'm on my last day at work today myself. Almost 10 years and finally fucking over. So far it's the longest day of my life.

Fair enough with Milo, he has definitely aligned himself with Trump. It's possible I guess and certainly this all exists in a similar climate to the Jo Cox killing.

I dunno man, the media frequently get called out as liars by more people than just Trump. Not sure it means anyone is actively advocating violence. As far as I know, Trump hasn't said anyone should be harmed, just that their ratings will fall. If your contention is that he is normalising mistrust in the media, I would say that we were at that point long before Trump was on the scene. In fact, I think that evidence is that trust in the media has actually increased in the Trump era. Open to having my mind changed on this tbf, but of the many things Trump is guilty of, I'm not sure about this one.

It sounds more like the guy had history with the newspaper given he 'sued them for defamation in 2012'. Not sure this one has much to do with Trump. He's just another fruitloop.