Rayvin

Fuck it. Bring back the centre. I don't care about the greater good, the poor, the left behind anymore. I'm done. Corbyn out. Tories out. Chinless wankers of the centre, in.

Has Pardew just given up on management for now then? Been well over a year since his last gig hasnt it?

Did you open the crackers early this year or something...

Thatcher literally created the 'underclass'. I mean, that's a strong fucking statement Renton. She destroyed the social fabric of the country for corporate gain. I will concede that, as this was her intent, she was competent at least.

Oh whatever CT. If this makes you feel better about yourself in your vote, then you go on believing it. So ignoring the point about this being an international collapse of the centre, which I will assume means you've conceded as true, you're now asking me how the centre can do anything. Well, they could have started by actually trying to fucking understand anything about Brexit and the movement behind Corbyn. The fact that both things caught them so fucking cold, shows how utterly out of touch they were. Corbyn is clearly not going to be around long, so maybe a few centrists could start establishing a platform that addresses the concerns people have when this comes about. We can't go back to how things were. The world changed, the centre needs to catch up. Corbyn clearly isn't the answer in terms of politicaly viability, but his approach even on things like immigration, is fucking worlds further towards addressing people's concerns than anything the centre has spat out in decades. But yes, he's polling terribly. Quick, let's see if we can get some handsome young, ambitious politician to go in there and smooth things over with some more classic centrism. The French are absolutely loving that. 5 weeks of utter chaos now is it?

Riiiiight. We're enabling Trump by having no power whatsoever. In the UK, you could maybe make that argument. It'd be a bad one, but you could make it. In the US, the left had no power at all - the centrists lost to Trump my friend. Least popular president in history, at the time of being elected, and they still lost to him. Good grief man, we're doomed to repeat the same mistakes all over again if you don't wake up. What about Macron? The collapse of the centre elsewhere in Europe? The rise of the right in centrist Germany? I know you fucking hate Corbyn, but if you want this to stop you need to reform the centre. Not the left. Also, btw, I never shifted goalposts. I admitted I was wrong about Corbyn being the answer as an individual. My positions remain the same otherwise.

Also not sure why every other political party gets a free ride. Why haven't the LDs picked up? They're pretty fucking centrist. Labour is holding strong with the people who were always voting for it. The Tories are being propped up by fucking morons who we have to cater to all the time with this centrist bollocks. I wouldn't change anything, no. I wrote two or three years ago that my view was that the left had to dig its heels in and hold its nose until eventually, people had to choose it. And I suspect it will. Come hell or high water, it needs to dig in. If I could be convinced that the centre could be trusted not to dump austerities, Brexits, and Donald Trumps onto the world, then maybe I'd think otherwise.

That won't happen because the country was wrecked pre-Corbyn, in my view. His ability to manage the aftermath of the wreckage is poor to non-existent, but the centre wrecked the world. Not even just the UK. The world.

Yawn.

Yougov always seems to be the poll most endorsing of left wing positions IMO. Generally the most pro Labour one. Although i might just think that because it was the only one to get ahead of Theresa May's mauling at the last GE.

I wondered if an element of it might be that life would never be so good again as it was as a footballer but it sounds like it was a constant thing. If he'd not been a footballer I guess his life would have been full of the same things. Apart from easing access to his vices, i doubt money and fame made much difference at all.

What actually happened to him? I never paid that much attention in earnest but he was clearly playing at the top level through his career so alcohol problems must have onset after that. Did he just retire and start drinking?

I'm tempted to say the Tories would rather break up the union that back Remain. The former will take longer to happen meaning that stupid people have a chance of forgetting whose fault it is. Not so with Remain which could very literally see public fury push Corbyn into Number 10 with or without any effective manifesto or campaign on his part. If he sticks to the illusion that he backs Brexit and the Tories deliver Remain, he'll pick up the Brexiters and all the usual left leaners. Which, actually, is a bit worrying. His mandate for change would be huge.

I read this in the sidebar on the main forum page and got all excited to see what had happened, and it turns out it's intense wishful thinking

I mean, it's certainly the most accurate thing anyone has said about her for a while.

Is No Deal even possible without a PV? Ignoring the scenario where May is a total dick which, despite everything, I still don't think she'd stoop to.

Damn. Almost word for word.

You're aware that the SJWs would now consider you to be worse than me, right? You've just committed the unforgivable sin, irrespective of your intent

His logic presumably being that another democratic vote is an affront to democracy.

Why is May doing this to herself. How many years of her life has she lost by stressing about this lunacy, I wonder.

He's not counting himself though

Just read that May's dithering about the vote cost the country the equivalent of 6 weeks of the NHS' running costs. Fucking brilliant the Tories are. £1bn paid to the DUP to get them to behave, billions lost over Brexit, and now May is just throwing money away trying to delay the inevitable and hold power a little longer. Fuck off.

Aye but they'd never have the numbers to actually win. Agree that a second referendum is the way to go for legitimacy but I'm not sure Leavers will accept that either.

If we had a cross party vote to rescind article 50, who would leavers get annoyed at? They cant vote against all of parliament.

I mean it's not us though, it's just the ludicrous fucknuggets we vote to "represent" us.