Rayvin

If we end up staying in on a technicality like that, after all of this, then the Tory party should be forcibly disbanded for being the biggest fucking waste of the country's time and money since world war one.

So wait, you think that if Mays deal is voted down we'll end up revoking article 50 and staying? Isn't there a democratic fallout to that?

Was kinda tongue in cheek that time

I see what you're saying but honestly, Corbyn has been so invisible since then that I genuinely do think his sudden visibility might be a surprise to the electorate once more.

What is a gay seminar...

I am indeed. Her campaign was poor but i dont see why it wouldn't be this time. You think she's going to discover some charisma down the back of the sofa? It was more Corbyn than her. Actually forget that, it was more Momentum than either of them.

I would argue that the difference is that his baseline starting position in the polls is much better now than it was last time, so a similar perfect storm this time will be enough. Remember he was around the mid 20s last time...

Yeah, agree with that too. I said further up that i dont think we'll get one. This all came about because AH was calling Corbyn out for not being front and centre on this issue and i was merely trying to suggest that he needs to pick his moment because, as everyone keeps saying, the masses are fed up of Brexit and campaigning on it before it's actually meaningful may be detrimental. Then i got pulled into a GE debate but initially, the above was all i wanted to say..!

Agreed, so... I'm gonna stick with my view on this

No one, but I'm backing myself on this one after my successes with Trump and the previous GE (measured success at least)

You dont think that would have happened? Neither of those two parties would have joined with or sought to enable the Tories. Anyway who cares, it didn't happen. I have a lot of respect for your view, and Renton's, and i dont dismiss your opinions generally, but neither of you have a great track record in predicting the political landscape. I think Renton has admitted as much multiple times. Corbyn IMO is simply waiting for the moment, when a GE is called, to go on the front foot. Presumably on the basis that people are stupid and have short memories. That much makes sense to me. His Brexit holding position is ludicrous but other than that he hasn't done a lot wrong by me. If he has a narrow poll margin either way when a GE is called, he'll win it.

And 8 seats off being PM, several of which were held by a string. Or was it 12? Either way you know what I mean.

Ok. I'm going to stick with my view thanks

I dont mate. I know he didn't win. But after two years of being told on here that he would be obliterated im also very aware that you lot aren't fucking oracles That and the fact that i was also told, repeatedly, that the Tories couldn't survive. And yet. We're very much in unchartered waters and i do believe that if we got a GE in the madness of actually leaving, Labour would win it. I dont think we'll get one though. He was further behind in the polls last time and came to almost even with them. At the time, most people on here accepted that as a victory. Interesting how everyone's biases alter their views over time.

Not blind to all that tbh, but at the same time, the polls had panned him prior to the previous GE. Now that may well have been a perfect storm, but that's not to say that Brexit itself, at fruition, may not be another one. Having said that, whoever replaces him needs to be standing in more or less the same political position for this country to have any hope of actually improving.

Aye he's a campaigner but if he starts now, people will develop a fatigue of interest. Not that i think he's going to come out for Remain, but he's probably biding his time for a GE.

It depends what you mean by that tbh...

I'd say this is primarily because of Labour's fucking stupid Brexit stance. It's not going to win over anyone who actually voted Brexit because they can see that 90% of the party membership are pro remain. And honestly, Labour are just talking absolute shite on Brexit anyway.

We might yet get out of this but it's going to be because of staggering incompetence now. Mercifully, the UK political establishment has that in spades.

If it's a 3 way deal, she'll never get it passed. If Remain's on the ticket, and her deal is on there with No Deal as well, we get Remain.

Who cares what CT wanted to happen and how valid his statements are as long as he votes Remain. I for one am totally prepared to forget the whole thing ever happened if we can just stay in the EU.

Wheels well and truly coming off CT's arguments now. Just own it man. Sometimes people are just fucking wrong.

I think if prison sentences are genuinely considered to be rehabilitative, it doesn't matter. They come out better people than they go in, or at least they should in a working system. Unless you're talking about social judgement outside of the legal system in which case I'd argue that people who lash out at the bully are really just looking for an excuse to vent their own insecurities and hate.

Waterboarded... seriously? What the fuck is wrong with people. Wonder if GTA inspired them.

Sometimes i start thinking you actually believe all this superstitious stuff