Rayvin

A moderate could certainly get elected. But they wouldn't actually fix anything.

What evidence is there that a moderate could succeed in those things given that moderates are actually responsible for their implementation? You let the centre off way too much with this shitstorm. The right told the lies that got us here, the left was invisible, but the centre enacted the motherfucking policies. Fucking own it. You guys are not the answer until you do what NJS is saying and actually start listening to people. The centre needs to move left and embrace a left wing economic vision over and above neoliberalism. Until it does this, and i see no evidence so far that it has, it will continue to ignore the needs of the people who voted leave almost by default.

Does a lot of work off camera though iyam.

Or maybe they're trying to indicate that money saved from the EU is indeed being spent on the NHS...

Ah. Fair enough then.

If I fill in May's deal for the second option, then I'm giving her a vote that could be added to a tally which defeats Remain, am I not? Or have I misunderstood this?

I wonder if they could get away with not having it on there. I've also been wondering about this second choice thing - like you choose Remain and then have to choose again between No Deal and May. Would the second choice be mandatory?

Didn't Greive table a motion to have it eliminated as an option? What became of that?

Remain sorts the whole mess out economically by giving us the best outcome possible. No Deal sorts the whole mess out politically by giving the fuckwits what they want and letting them suffer the consequences as a learning experience. Everything in between is harmful economically and won't be sufficient to make the political point that needs to be made. We may as well betray the gammons because anything short of No Deal and they will believe we did anyway. That said i was thinking it would be resolved through a PV.

I'm kinda glad the Norway option is dead since Remain and No Deal are the only options that actually solve anything properly. That said, does this mean Mays deal has slightly more chance of getting through parliament? It would mean that if Mps vote it down, they're basically either throwing the country into No Deal or betraying the public with remain. Are our politicians brave enough for either option...

Have just read that the kid is in court for assault, it's no longer considered racially aggravated. Also makes the claim that they had been on good terms until a previous altercation earlier that day. Now that's the bully saying this, but the courts are indeed not looking at it from a racial viewpoint anymore. This doesn't sit well with me now. Take the racial thing out of it and it's actually not that bad. I saw far worse at school. Did the media have any proof that this was racially aggravated or have they just blown this out of all proportion? You mentioned he came from a racist family.. how was this verified? And even if true, is there any evidence that this kid has acted in a racially hateful way in the past? The kid is still a bully either way, but I've seen far fucking worse than that if it's just two boys having issues with each other.

How much is a vast swathe though.

Roughly which UK league is the MLS equivalent to these days?

This.

I think Labour's Brexit stance to date has been pathetic and entirely fucking pointless. See how easy it is to criticise your own side and still continue to function as a human being?

Why are you incapable of being critical of the Tories? If Labour had produced the shitshow we're seeing now, I'd be furious with them.

Sorry Strawb, that's probably the last thing you need after the year you've had. You're a good grandson for making so much time for him though, it'll mean everything to him I'm sure.

Saying Cameron is a hero for offering us a referendum is like praising the parent of a toddler who has been furnished with a handgun and then shot itself. We the people were too fucking stupid to vote on this CT. We had no clue what we wanted, no clue what the EU was, how it affected our lives and what leaving would mean. And he fucking knew this but did it anyway. He's a sociopath at best. At best!

What about ITV?

If that amendment goes through and Mays deal is voted down, surely we're looking at a second vote with a binary option. Mays deal or Remain.

I just want the Tories disbanded

If we end up staying in on a technicality like that, after all of this, then the Tory party should be forcibly disbanded for being the biggest fucking waste of the country's time and money since world war one.

So wait, you think that if Mays deal is voted down we'll end up revoking article 50 and staying? Isn't there a democratic fallout to that?

Was kinda tongue in cheek that time