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She's standing down anyway isn't she? She's an irrelevance now.

This sounds like it's going exactly as expected. How late in the season do you think it'll be before they pull the rug out from under Bruce? I'm guessing March.

I would be amazed if we get anything off you today. In the same way that I'm amazed when we get any points off anyone.

I don't really follow the guy's progress but he seems like a tragic keeper at times

Farage is currently under police investigation for talking about taking a knife to civil servants once Brexit is out of the way, so I feel like some common ground can be achieved between him and Johnson... If his plan is to force the opposition to push him out, it's fairly clever IMO. Will gain him more votes than just resigning would.

Maybe so, but he might get away with a GE and Brexit by doing the political equivalent of throwing a hand of poker. In this case, the hand being his current government. If he keeps doubling down to the point where he becomes a threat to national security, they'll have to remove him - and he might well emerge from that with "the people" onside thanks to the cult worship of Brexit.

Sure, but if the opposition lose their nerve and vote him out, then he'll claim they're the coup.

Unless his intention is to have himself removed from power before requesting that extension. I could see that scanning with some of the electorate.

So, state of emergency anyone? Apparently that's the next gambit from Cummings, now that the "riots" narrative has been established. Hasn't been used since 1974 but would allow Boris the ability to ignore the Benn Act. Starting to think we might just need to get him out of power and have done with it.

Aye, almost certainly.

I still think if we just fucking kill off Brexit, and the media moves on, all that will be left is the small rump of hardcore europhobes that existed to begin with. Things like abolishing the supreme court won't come to pass in the end.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7512509/My-Little-Book-Brexiteers-Want-Stab-notepad-advertised-Amazon.html The Daily Mail is outraged over a blank notepad being sold on Amazon called "My Little Book of Brexiteers I Want to Stab" and is calling for aggressive language from remainers to be toned down.

It hadn't actually occurred to me that this is probably in response to lowered ticket sales

That's just repellant. What kind of newspapers report on this stuff, seriously...

If that did happen, you could at least sell your story to the tabloids and watch his bigoted right wing voters fall away in the run up to any GE. #Takeonefortheteam

Presumably they're ignoring the fact that delivering No Deal will also trigger riots. I don't see it as a serious threat anyway - it'll be the usual right wing thugs and they'll get smurfed by the Police as per.

This does seem sensible, although I'm fairly sure England-Scotland relations would be strained as Scotland eternally kept us in.

This shit is endless.

They won't outright but i still think their strategy is the right one, leave the Lib Dems to take the extreme remainers and Labour can try to hoover up everyone else. I think victory can be achieved in a GE or in a referendum, but the latter is the safer bet. At least I think it is. 72% of 2017 Labour leave voters said they wouldnt vote Tory under any circumstances. It's a hard nut to crack for Johnson.

Jonathon Pie explained this best - there were the leave voters who were always going to vote leave no matter what (little englanders) and there was the marginal leave voters who actually delivered the victory for leave in the end because they were fucking pissed off about inequality and having to get their groceries from foodbanks.

That lot will gravitate to Farage I suppose. Very limited threat from thereon out.

Fully agree with you there, although we do need one to cancel out the original. We also need citizenship and critical thinking classes to be taught at schools as a compulsory part of the syllabus. I would personally go so far as to say eligibility to vote should depend on passing them.

Austerity is what caused all of this pent up frustration, and a vivid reaction to it was always coming - I hoped it would be a left wing one, hence my backing for Corbyn, but it was in the end a right wing one, since far right populism appears to be eternally more palatable to the centre than moderate left populism. Either way it was coming though, and we've known this for years now. Corbyn and Brexit are symptoms of the same thing, the failure of the centre. I've said this many times. This doesn't mean Johnson is the only way though - if we can wrench the power from the right, a left wing program could settle things down as well. I don't really believe that there is a large groundswell of opinion even among Brexit leave voters for a far right takeover of the country. Brexit itself is just such a toxic phenomenon that it's consuming the entire discourse. The culture war is indeed global, and it will continue to have an impact here and elsewhere, but if we on the left and centre actually engage with the issues properly, we can fix this. And Corbyn's Labour manifesto would address a lot of it. We need to push back against corporate globalism from a left wing position. More immediately though, I think people's enthusiasm for Brexit will die down once Boris is out of the way - I mean after him, who will spearhead it?