Rayvin

I think you decided i was a Nazi cunt some time after that tbh. I assume you now consider yourself wrong about that but who knows in this day and age.

You tend to post articles from the MSM, and in general you are uncritical about them. That is all. And for the last time, calling out antisemitism isn't an establishment position per se because i dont actually think the establishment gives a shit about it. I think it is useful for one specific reason which I have already articulated. Like all forms of racism it does indeed need to be shut down. Unlike all other forms of racism, it is only this variant, and only within the Labour party, that the press is continuously interested. I still feel like we're talking past each other here. Did you ever answer my earlier question? Do you think this is the second most important issue facing the country? Because that's the level of coverage it's getting.

I didn't say we didn't have anything in common. I also, technically, didn't say you were establishment. I just insinuated you tended to post establishment views A lot of people get very precious about identity when they get into arguments but I'm not one of them. All I care about is your fucking views

I think I do alright in the arguments on here tbh

Not even going to challenge that one, it's almost certainly true.

I firmly believe Gloom's heart is in the right place, I just think he gets led astray too easily. Same as he thinks about me

You realise I don't have an issue with you posting this stuff right? It's not like I've asked you to stop. Its useful for me to get establishment opinions anyway at the end of the day, it's not like they're always wrong. And i agree about Corbyn. And yeah i figured that might have been the issue, Israel's right to exist. I doubled negatived that sentence so my bad I guess.

I didn't see it but np man.. I do want to be clear that it's really the media I have an issue with, there's nothing else in it for me. And maybe that does blind me to things tbh. The reason I argue with you guys in here isn't to "win", it's to better inform myself.

He must have been gone for a good year now...

It's because Parky exists that my last paragraph was necessary.

As an aside, while these two comments may make you feel good, brimming with righteous indignation, that's not how the legal system in this country can afford to work, is it? I haven't actually watched any of Dankula's videos beyond the nazi pug one because to me, he looks like a random bloke with a webcam, and not someone to whom any serious attention should be paid for political insight. Do many of his videos highlight a longstanding issue with antisemitism? Does it rear its head often? Is it even dog whistled? I suspect if there was evidence of this, it would have been raised loudly at the time. You've gone down a blind alley with this one and your comments are reactionary. This is why I don't get suckered into the press' position on everything - they want this reactionary nonsense from otherwise rational people. It is acceptable to look at things on their own terms, and make your own conclusion. And disagreeing with the press' view after doing that, does not make you antisemitic (in this instance). I'm gonna say, by the way, that I do not think there is a Jewish conspiracy running the world - I don't think there's a conspiracy full stop. I think there is a systemic problem that rewards a certain section of society disproportionately. I do not believe Israel should not exist, and I have sympathy with the fact that they are in effect surrounded by hostile nations, and that this influences their politics considerably. I do not think that Palestinians throwing rockets over the border are blameless when Israel responds. I don't even have an issue with Jewish people complaining about antisemitism in Labour. The only thing I do have an issue with, is the weaponisation of the story into apocalyptic proportions because it has the useful side effect of protecting the rich from Corbyn.

John Sweeney associated with him for the Panorama documentary, is he a cunt? If one day he gets elected to Parliament (which is fast becoming a possibility thanks to the BBC), will all MPs become cunts? Don't answer that last one.

Careful, you could be taken to court for comments supporting radicalisation of pugs /ewerk

Is he? You know more about his private life than I do then. I think there's a bunch of them in together for political reasons but that doesn't necessarily mean they're all of the same mind. Unless you believe all Labour MPs and Labour Party members are now antisemitic by association.

He joined UKIP recently and considers himself to be a free speech advocate. The latter being a fairly understandable position given he was brought before court on the basis that the court decided it could take his comments out of context for the purpose of sanctioning him. Which, if they applied that across the board, would see every single member of Toontastic in court too. The joining of UKIP is part of a wider movement in the internet right wing to make itself relevant and to start effecting change in the real world. Yes they're all cunts, but I don't see why that means I can't think that this court case was ludicrous.

As I recall, David Baddiel was also defending him. Because it was a joke. The crux of the joke being, "my girlfriend thinks this dog is really cute all the time so I've taught it to do a nazi salute because it's the most horrific thing I can think of and will surely change her mind" It was a bad joke, and was in poor taste, but it does not indicate to me that the individual saying it wanted to kill Jewish people.

Actually it remains the case with the exception of a couple of MPs who were disciplined over their comments. And I acknowledge that they were pretty useless over the Ken Livingstone situation. Beyond that, I've seen very little. There was that video of Corbyn criticising an article written about his handling of the issue which was... not in the least antisemitic. There was that video of that guy they just suspended standing up in front of a local party meeting and denying that the issue exists, which isn't technically antisemitic either, even if it isn't true. I dunno man, I'm old school. I need to actually see tangible evidence for this to be something I will worry about. And the press lost the right for me to take it on 'trust' about a decade ago.

I said it was a distraction from more serious issues and that the only evidence of it i have seen has been Twitter trolls. This remains the case incidentally. Resignations are all well and good but they aren't evidence that any specific thing has actually happened. As usual, my standards for evidence are too high it seems.

Yeah I didnt say anything about newsworthiness but I'd bet my last quid that in the previous 6 months with the exception of Brexit, no other topic has commanded more articles. If I'm right, would you consider that proportionate coverage? If yes then we don't need to talk about this anymore since we fundamentally differ on this point.

And I'm convinced the media would have crushed him. I see Tommy fucking Robinson is now exposing corrupt media practices, of all people. Some serious 'getting your house in order' shit needs to go down in the media industry.

I've argued the media coverage is disproportionate. Do you feel this is more important than children knifing each other, homeless people dying on the streets, mental health cuts, cuts to domestic violence shelters at a time with more women than ever are reporting it, etc. Because it's getting a metric fuckton more coverage than all of those combined.

If you say so man. I've given up.

It doesnt make any difference. If Corbyn goes and McDonnell takes over they'll just find something to tear him apart over as well.

And? What do you want me to acknowledge that you feel I haven't acknowledged?

What the fuck is going on in this game...